What would have kept Adam from giving his life as a sacrifice for Eve?

[WolfBitn]

If he had never ate of the tree how would he have died if death had never entered the world?

Death was a punishment for eating form the tree...

A couple points...

1. according to your thread about Faith and Science, death had been a part of the world since millions, or billions, of years prior to Adam

2. The punishment could have been his spiritual death not his physical one since he didnt die physically right away, but he did die spiritually

so you do agree then he was spiritually alive?

I don't. The human spirit is apart from the soul of man. Adam had a human spirit, but it was not yet filled with the divine life of God. Consider God's reason for blocking the way to the tree of life: "Lest he stretch forth his hand and take and live forever."

Heres an interesting question... how would you define Adams state pre fall? ...just curious no traps lol

[Ovedya]

As to Jesus, that which qualified Him a sufficient sacrifice was not His humanity, but His sinless humanity. As the Lamb of God he was examined, just as the Passover lamb was examined for three days, and found to be without blemish and spotless. His sinless humanity was, by virtue, due to His divinity, however, and as such could only be in completeness, a fully qualified sacrifice for the sins of humanity.

While Adam may have had a perfect humanity by virtue of creation alone, he nevertheless did not have the divine nature, which was embodied in the tree of life. Therefore, at best, his sacrifice would have only been a temporary substitution for sin - just as the sin sacrifice in the tabernacle was only temporary.

Animals were at one time an acceptable sacrifice for sin... so youre saying they werent really acceptable because they werent sinless humanity?

No, they are just not an eternal sacrifice, as Christ was. Christ, by virtue of His complete divinity and perfected humanity (the two factors required) constituted an acceptable eternal sacrifice for sin.

Can ANYONE show a bible passage showing that the sin sacrifice HAD to be God BEFORE the fall of Adam? ...or is this a valid question and something to ponder on 'no greater love does a man have than to lay down his life for his friends'?

The sin sacrifice was instituted by God the moment that man fell in the garden. It is implied in the death of an animal in order to provide them with coats of skins.

[Ovedya]

If he had never ate of the tree how would he have died if death had never entered the world?

Death was a punishment for eating form the tree...

A couple points...

1. according to your thread about Faith and Science, death had been a part of the world since millions, or billions, of years prior to Adam

2. The punishment could have been his spiritual death not his physical one since he didnt die physically right away, but he did die spiritually

so you do agree then he was spiritually alive?

I don't. The human spirit is apart from the soul of man. Adam had a human spirit, but it was not yet filled with the divine life of God. Consider God's reason for blocking the way to the tree of life: "Lest he stretch forth his hand and take and live forever."

Heres an interesting question... how would you define Adams state pre fall? ...just curious no traps lol

Hard to do exactly. From what we know: Created in perfection, sinless, with authority over all of creation, and yet still requiring the divine life of God, embodied in the tree of life.

[Ovedya]

Can you show us a Bible passage showing that the perfect sacrifice could be anything but Jesus?

1.Leviticus 22:21

And whosoever offereth a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD to accomplish his vow, or a freewill offering in beeves or sheep, it shall be perfect to be accepted; there shall be no blemish therein.

Which is a shadow of Christ.

[WolfBitn]

Can you show us a Bible passage showing that the perfect sacrifice could be anything but Jesus?

1.Leviticus 22:21

And whosoever offereth a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD to accomplish his vow, or a freewill offering in beeves or sheep, it shall be perfect to be accepted; there shall be no blemish therein.

Which is a shadow of Christ.

Yes indeed i agree

My point here is though that some sacrificial animals were considered 'perfect'... so why not a sinless man, which is exactly what Christ was, though He was God as well... the animals certainly werent God and they were called by God Himself a perfect sacrifice and accepted

I think agape love, Gods PERFECT love, the desire to even lay down ones life for someone you love, is somehow more presious than the blood of an animal, so i have to ask myselof, WHAT would God have said to Adam? Its a very strange and deep quesiton, maybe i should have put this in controvercial, but honestly id forgotten it was even here until i say Canucks new thread lol

[kross]

Heres what God demanded of a sacrifice

1. sinless/spotless

When Eve fell in her transgression, Adam hadnt yet fallen. He was sinless... spotless... in a glorified situation without internal death working against him.

Christ became our sacrifice because since ADAMS fall, death was pronounced over all mankind. Man therefore since adams fall couldnt live a sinless life. Therefore it was neccessary for Christ to do so...

Hypotheticly... WHAT would have happened had Adam not ate fo the tree, fell on his face before God pleading for Eve? What if he had said FATHER PLEASE... i love her... you gave her to me... please dont destroy her, please take my life and restore her to you?

It seems to me that this is what the bible teaches us... that Christ lived that perfect life, never sinned, He was spotless and sinless and only in this was could He have been our true sacrifice...

What would have kept Adam from being Eves sacrifice for sin, had he never ate of the tree and offered his life for mercy toward Eve?

Eve did not sin. Eve was not given the command from GOD. Had Adam not eaten of the fruit, sin would not have come into the world.

Yes, Adam could have atoned for sin before HE sinned as a willing sacrifice for sin. That would have put a quick end to creation as we know it.

[canuckamuck]

I don't think anyone has proven that a sacrifice needed to be divine.

The point of the sacrifice is that it is the price to be paid for transgression. Sacrificing an innocent for sin is the price. Christ was the only man (it had to be a man, an animal is only a temporary and symbolic substitution) who was sinless, therefore innocent of all transgression. The only other man that had that distinction briefly was Adam. This is why Jesus is called the second Adam. Adam was never God, this is true. But Adam was blameless without spot or wrinkle before his transgression. This is all that is required for a sin offering, not divinity. Divinity was required for our sins, because there was no other that was not of the line of Adam. Adam's line was tarnished. Jesus had to be the from a different Father. God was the only option.

However I do believe that man's redemption plan was already worked out before Adam fell. God knows all.

Edited July 29, 2009 by canuckamuck

[Guest man]

What would have kept Adam from being Eves sacrifice for sin, had he never ate of the tree and offered his life for mercy toward Eve?

Adam had no knowledge of sin.

[kross]

Eve did not sin. Eve was not given the command from GOD. Had Adam not eaten of the fruit, sin would not have come into the world.

I cant agree with this.

Gen 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

She knew the command from God and disobyed it anyhow

Adam was the only one told by GOD not to eat of the fruit, Despite what she said to the serpent, there was no cammond from GOD for her not to eat of the fruit. Adam may have told her not to eat of the fruit, but the only person GOD ever told not to eat the fruit was Adam. Thus, until Adam ate of the fruit, sin had not come into the world.

In all of the references in scripture you will see that sin came into the world by the one man, Adam.

So, as I stated, if Adam had not eaten of the fruit, there would be no need for a sacrifice for what Eve did.

[canuckamuck]

I would like to add that it would have been impossible because who would preform the sacrifice.

Could Eve sacrifice Adam for her sin? Could Adam commit suicide for her sin?

It is just to convoluted to have any opportunity of reality.