Do you still go to heaven if you commit suicide?

[OneLight]

Really, I hate this whole line of questioning. It's not the way to deal with the issue.

I agree wholeheartedly. I have been at deaths door by my own hands. It was the grace of God that allowed me to survive. He did not allow me to die. As wrong as it is to state that one was never saved, it is equally wrong to tell them that if they believe in Christ, that they will be with Him if they decide to murder themselves. Nobody, and I mean nobody, can say either.

You are right, it needs to be addressed in love, helping those who do suffer to find reasons to want to live, not ensure them safety if they decide not to.

[Cerebrus]

So Smacald and OneLight are you guys Catholic?

I find it pretty scary that anyone feels the need to rely on their own works as a means to salvation, cause that's what you're in effect doing.

And OneLight, you ignored my question.

You must be pretty terrified to constantly be in fear of forgetting to confess a sin, because by your line of reasoning, forget to confess ONE and you're damned for all eternity! Sounds like the kind of struggle Luther was going through as a monk.

Edited August 26, 2009 by Cerebrus

[nebula]

If we are all in agreement that our salvation isn't lost if we commit suicide, then what we're doing, is telling all who are saved that it's ok to end ones life, because their salvation is guaranteed.

That's why I've advocated that if you need to know this answer, ask the Lord to reveal it to you.

He will tell you what you need to know.

[OneLight]

If we are all in agreement that our salvation isn't lost if we commit suicide, then what we're doing, is telling all who are saved that it's ok to end ones life, because their salvation is guaranteed.

That's why I've advocated that if you need to know this answer, ask the Lord to reveal it to you.

He will tell you what you need to know.

Amen!

[Cerebrus]

So Smacald and OneLight are you guys Catholic?

I find it pretty scary that anyone feels the need to rely on their own works as a means to salvation, cause that's what you're in effect doing.

And OneLight, you ignored my question.

You must be pretty terrified to constantly be in fear of forgetting to confess a sin, because by your line of reasoning, forget to confess ONE and you're damned for all eternity! Sounds like the kind of struggle Luther was going through as a monk.

I've looked at your other threads. Are you truly looking for answers or are you attempting to provoke certain responses?

Well yeah I'm trying to provoke a response since I need an answer.

You're right though, you've found me out, this isn't the only tough question I've dealt with in my life. You might want to look at the posting dates too. Still look like a trolling spree?

I really would've expected a bit more compassion and love from supposed members of the body of Christ but I guess I'll just have to turn to my same-age Christian friends for wisdom.

Forget I asked.

But thanks to all who did help.

Edited August 26, 2009 by Cerebrus

[Rick-Parker]

I do not believe that there is one soul walking this earth who can say, with absolute certainty what happens when someone takes their own life. That said, how would anyone, no matter how wise or knowledgeable they claim to be - know with complete certainty?

If that is true, the same can be said about personal salvation in general. Is it true in your life? Are you absolutely certain you are saved if you sin?

[OneLight]

So Smacald and OneLight are you guys Catholic?

I find it pretty scary that anyone feels the need to rely on their own works as a means to salvation, cause that's what you're in effect doing.

And OneLight, you ignored my question.

You must be pretty terrified to constantly be in fear of forgetting to confess a sin, because by your line of reasoning, forget to confess ONE and you're damned for all eternity! Sounds like the kind of struggle Luther was going through as a monk.

No, I am nondenominational.

I do not depend on my works for nothing pertaining to salvation, but at the same time, I don't use salvation as a means to do whatever I choose to do with my life neither.

No, never in fear about sins I know nothing about. God will show me my sins and I will ask for forgiveness. Fear is not of the Lord.

What question would that be, the one in the OP? If so, I have answered it. If not, ask again.

Now, fair play be as it is, answer this. If you have accepted salvation through Christ, but through hard times decide to turn you back on Him and return to the world, at which time, while drinking and drugging you are shot by a jealous husband while in an adulterous affair, will you still go to heaven? Keep in mind that you did accept Christ as your savior at one time in your life, and meant it with all your heart.

[Cerebrus]

So Smacald and OneLight are you guys Catholic?

I find it pretty scary that anyone feels the need to rely on their own works as a means to salvation, cause that's what you're in effect doing.

And OneLight, you ignored my question.

You must be pretty terrified to constantly be in fear of forgetting to confess a sin, because by your line of reasoning, forget to confess ONE and you're damned for all eternity! Sounds like the kind of struggle Luther was going through as a monk.

No, I am nondenominational.

I do not depend on my works for nothing pertaining to salvation, but at the same time, I don't use salvation as a means to do whatever I choose to do with my life neither.

No, never in fear about sins I know nothing about. God will show me my sins and I will ask for forgiveness. Fear is not of the Lord.

What question would that be, the one in the OP? If so, I have answered it. If not, ask again.

Now, fair play be as it is, answer this. If you have accepted salvation through Christ, but through hard times decide to turn you back on Him and return to the world, at which time, while drinking and drugging you are shot by a jealous husband while in an adulterous affair, will you still go to heaven? Keep in mind that you did accept Christ as your savior at one time in your life, and meant it with all your heart.

Well I would say you can never lose your faith. "Perseverance of the Saints".

Your arguments are really subjective. What is different from that situation you described from Peter renouncing Christ (arguably one of the "baddest" sins you can commit though God doesn't categorize them like that). You really think if Peter had say gotten speared accidentally by an unattentive Roman guard right after renouncing Christ he would have gone to Hell? I don't think that's how it works.

The implications of that is that you better be SURE that you don't commit any sins right before you die!

What if you're arguing with your son/sibling/friend in the car and say something hurtful to him and then get hit by and car and instantly killed 2 seconds later? Do you go to Hell?

Edited August 26, 2009 by Cerebrus

[nebula]

Well yeah I'm trying to provoke a response since I need an answer.

Cerebrus -

I am serious.

How serious do you need to know this answer?

[Believer1997]

I do not believe that there is one soul walking this earth who can say, with absolute certainty what happens when someone takes their own life. That said, how would anyone, no matter how wise or knowledgeable they claim to be - know with complete certainty?

If that is true, the same can be said about personal salvation in general. Is it true in your life? Are you absolutely certain you are saved if you sin?

Jesus has given me Salvation, so yes.... I am absolutely sure I am saved. Not if I sin, but when I sin, I repent and ask forgiveness and He forgives. This has no comparative with taking one's life that has been given by God. Are you sure? Is it true in your life?