DOES GOD EXIST.

[Capnmike02]

I would like to hear anyone`s scientific evidences of the existence of God, some good hard and undeniable proofs...

Further; I would like to see how one would go about convincing the avowed and hostile atheist of these "proofs"...

Thanks...

Capt.Mike...

[pokemaughan]

I would like to hear anyone`s scientific evidences of the existence of God, some good hard and undeniable proofs...

Further; I would like to see how one would go about convincing the avowed and hostile atheist of these "proofs"...

Thanks...

Capt.Mike...

There are none. The box science makes isn't big enough for God.

[Capnmike02]

I would like to hear anyone`s scientific evidences of the existence of God, some good hard and undeniable proofs...

Further; I would like to see how one would go about convincing the avowed and hostile atheist of these "proofs"...

Thanks...

Capt.Mike...

There are none. The box science makes isn't big enough for God.

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Sorry, but there are, many and evidential...

[Drawn]

There are none. The box science makes isn't big enough for God.

Awesome... just awesome.

It's like looking at a building and saying, "There was no builder- this just happened."

There can be no creation without a Creator.

[pokemaughan]

There are none. The box science makes isn't big enough for God.

Awesome... just awesome.

It's like looking at a building and saying, "There was no builder- this just happened."

There can be no creation without a Creator.

I'm on your side, I hope you realize.

But science has such a limited point of view. It doesn't allow the full spectrum of God's work... now-a-days it's all about naturalism and empiricism...

[Drawn]

I would like to hear anyone`s scientific evidences of the existence of God, some good hard and undeniable proofs...

Further; I would like to see how one would go about convincing the avowed and hostile atheist of these "proofs"...

Thanks...

Capt.Mike...

There are none. The box science makes isn't big enough for God.

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Sorry, but there are, many and evidential...

Ok, I don't have to "prove" God. An "atheist" (I use the quotes for a reason as there is no such thing as an atheist) has to "prove" there isn't a God.

Out of 100% of the ENTIRE knowledge of the universe- everything from how many tiles are on Wayne Gretzky's bathroom floor to what's under the smallest rock on the most distant planet, how much could one say that one knows? 1%, 2%, shoot, be brave and say 99%. So, can someone say to me that in that 99%, 98%, or even 1% about which they have not a single clue that there is no God? They can't. They must say that they don't know if there is a God in that percentage about which they are clueless. It's like saying there is no gold in China without having absolute complete knowledge about everything (and I mean everything) in China. They are, therefore, not an atheist, they are an agnostic, and require more searching. I suggest that they start with the Bible. It has stood up to the most incredible scrutiny, and has been proven to be accurate. (Might I suggest Lee Strobel's book The Case For The Real Jesus as a reference?)

I can, however, say that there is a God by simply looking at creation and saying, "There is a God because this had to be made." I can also say that there is gold in China with some VERY limited knowledge about China- all I have to do is go to China and find one jewelry store with one piece of gold in it and confidently say, "There is gold in China." I do this with God with some very limited knowledge of the universe. I know that this earth is here, and had to be created, and therefore say, "There is a Creator." There is a God.

I love my friends who are agnostic. I hang out with them, I bowl with them. (Not very well, but I still bowl) I am not commanded to hate anyone, nor am I to pass judgment on anyone. I do not have to worry about proving the existence of God- He does that just fine through His creation. What I do have to be concerned about is truthfully living out the faith which I have through Him.

May God bless you and your family, and I do love you!

Edited August 31, 2009 by Drawn

[Drawn]

There are none. The box science makes isn't big enough for God.

Awesome... just awesome.

It's like looking at a building and saying, "There was no builder- this just happened."

There can be no creation without a Creator.

I'm on your side, I hope you realize.

But science has such a limited point of view. It doesn't allow the full spectrum of God's work... now-a-days it's all about naturalism and empiricism...

Oh, yeah, I completely know that you're on my side. Sorry about that. I was agreeing with you, and I agree with your post about naturalism. This isn't the first time that scientists have tried to "explain away" God.

[Capnmike02]

Let me ask then, and I`m assuming that I am dealing with fellow Christians here, let me ask ;

Just what does Hebrews 11:1 mean by "Faith is the evidence of things not seen."???

Empasis upon "Evidence"...

[Capnmike02]

I would like to hear anyone`s scientific evidences of the existence of God, some good hard and undeniable proofs...

Further; I would like to see how one would go about convincing the avowed and hostile atheist of these "proofs"...

Thanks...

Capt.Mike...

There are none. The box science makes isn't big enough for God.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Sorry, but there are, many and evidential...

Ok, I don't have to "prove" God. An "atheist" (I use the quotes for a reason as there is no such thing as an atheist) has to "prove" there isn't a God.

Out of 100% of the ENTIRE knowledge of the universe- everything from how many tiles are on Wayne Gretzky's bathroom floor to what's under the smallest rock on the most distant planet, how much could one say that one knows? 1%, 2%, shoot, be brave and say 99%. So, can someone say to me that in that 99%, 98%, or even 1% about which they have not a single clue that there is no God? They can't. They must say that they don't know if there is a God in that percentage about which they are clueless. It's like saying there is no gold in China without having absolute complete knowledge about everything (and I mean everything) in China. They are, therefore, not an atheist, they are an agnostic, and require more searching. I suggest that they start with the Bible. It has stood up to the most incredible scrutiny, and has been proven to be accurate. (Might I suggest Lee Strobel's book The Case For The Real Jesus as a reference?)

I can, however, say that there is a God by simply looking at creation and saying, "There is a God because this had to be made." I can also say that there is gold in China with some VERY limited knowledge about China- all I have to do is go to China and find one jewelry store with one piece of gold in it and confidently say, "There is gold in China." I do this with God with some very limited knowledge of the universe. I know that this earth is here, and had to be created, and therefore say, "There is a Creator." There is a God.

I love my friends who are agnostic. I hang out with them, I bowl with them. (Not very well, but I still bowl) I am not commanded to hate anyone, nor am I to pass judgment on anyone. I do not have to worry about proving the existence of God- He does that just fine through His creation. What I do have to be concerned about is truthfully living out the faith which I have through Him.

May God bless you and your family, and I do love you!

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Actually, I`m talking about something a little more immediate, and useful...

Something more evident than these examples...

I was sure that someone would catch on by now...

I use it on the "heathen boards" to make a cogent point...

[Drawn]

Let me ask then, and I`m assuming that I am dealing with fellow Christians here, let me ask ;

Just what does Hebrews 11:1 mean by "Faith is the evidence of things not seen."???

Empasis upon "Evidence"...

With all due respect and humility, allow me to quote that scripture through verse 3 using both the ESV (which I use), and the KJV (the version upon which I was raised)

KJV-

1.Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2.For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3.Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

ESV-

1.Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2.For by it the people of old received their commendation. 3.By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.

Both versions are clear to me.

This verse is giving the definition of faith("Faith is") - believing in and hoping for those things which are not seen. This verse is not challenging us to "prove" God through any sort of scientific evidence. Who are we to try to "prove" God? The Bible clearly states that God is revealed to us through His creation. In fact, it states that, "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God'" Psalm 14:1

Anytime that science says that they have discovered a new species of insect, or have discovered how genetics determine how long my toenails grow before I notice them and cut them, I simply praise God that His creation functions so amazingly. Science simply proves that Creation functions in a functional way, and that does not surprise me at all. God does not make mistakes, and has an order for everything. I don't need to prove Him, He does that, and only a fool can look at Creation and say, "There is no God." I am backed up by scripture on that one.

So, as I said, with all due respect, that verse simply gives the definition of faith, it does not call for any evidence to be shown to prove the existence of God. It actually even says how the universe was made- by the word of God.

May the Lord our God richly bless you and your family!

Edited August 31, 2009 by Drawn