Beast, Charismatic World Leader - Please

[Snowdoove]

Thanks for your answers. However, I do not see anything wrong in naming Charismatic World Leaders.

Maybe I should re-write the title and leave off the Beast.

New Topic Title: Can you name some Charismatic World Leaders?

Only answer if you know who they are.

Thank You.

Snowdoove

[Guest wareguy]

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[jesussaves]

Since the anti-christ will not be revealed until the church is raptured...if you know who he is now the rapture must have taken place and left you behind! And I know that isn't true because I'm still here.

Seriously, the Anti-christ cannot set his kingdom up while the church is here.

[eric]

Seriously, the Anti-christ cannot set his kingdom up while the church is here.

Do ya reckon?

Well if the church aint here who is the a/c going to make war against.

cheers.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the anti-christ supposed to appear GOOD ?

[One Way]

Seriously, the Anti-christ cannot set his kingdom up while the church is here.

Do ya reckon?

Well if the church aint here who is the a/c going to make war against.

cheers.

Those whom get saved through the ministry of the 144,000 witnesses that God raises up.

Read Revelation 5:9-10. You see the church in heaven BEFORE any judgments are poured out.

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Read God' account of judgment of the flood and of Sodom and Gomorrah. God will not judge the righteous with the wicked:

Gen 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

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Gen 18:32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.

God will not destroy the righteous with the wicked. The flood didn't come until Noah and his family was shut in the ark, and fire and brimstone didn't rain down on Sodom and Gomorrah until the angel "raptured," or physically removed Lot from harms way. The angel specifically said he could not do anything until Lot was safe.

Gen 19:15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

Gen 19:16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

Gen 19:17 And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.

Gen 19:18 And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord:

Gen 19:19 Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:

Gen 19:20 Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.

Gen 19:21 And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken.

Gen 19:22 Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.

Read that carefully. Lot was "raptured" from harm's way. This is always God's method of dealing out judgment.

The Great Tribulation is a period where God judges a Christ rejecting world. God does not pour out His wrath on His own children. To say that he does is to call Him a liar per Genesis 18:25-33.

I know that people trivialize the pre-mid-post rapture issue as being a "non-essential," but I think that one's position on this subject is a good indication on their view of God. Do you think our Father would pour out the bowls of His wrath on His children? This seems a little more serious to me than just a "non-essential." This is the character of God we're talking about.

Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

God is kinder than we are, and the idea of us pouring out that kind of wrath on our own children is ridiculous. How much more so for God?

DO NOT mix up the Church (i.e. The Bride of Christ), with the tribulation saints.

[Guest idied2]

God will not destroy the righteous with the wicked.

No. this time he let them grow together and then he will remove the wicked and leave the just.

Matthew 13

49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth

Matthew 13

41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

The rapture is not into heaven. It's into the air on earth.

When the LORD returns here.

1 Thessalonians 4

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug: :hug:

[eric]

Do you think our Father would pour out the bowls of His wrath on His children? This seems a little more serious to me than just a "non-essential." This is the character of God we're talking about.

Who and where did anyone suggest that God would pour out the bowls of wrath on His children?

DO NOT mix up the Church (i.e. The Bride of Christ), with the tribulation saints

So the souls that John saw under the altar of those who were beheaded, becuause of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God and who did not worship the beast or his image and did not receive the mark are not part of the church (ie the Bride of Christ. Are you saying these saints, who martyred themselves during the time of the great tribulation, are not going to be partakers of the wedding? Because that's what you seem to saying, to me?

[Jedi4Yahweh]

DO NOT mix up the Church (i.e. The Bride of Christ), with the tribulation saints

I like how pre-trib people bend scripture to say things like this.

"Oh those are not Christians they are TRiBULATION SAINTS.

There is no such thing....You are part of the Church or your not. Christ does not have two Chruchs or two Bodys. He has one Church which is his body. Those that are living for God during the tribulation are faithful followers of Christ. There is no other way into the Kingdom of Heaven except through faith in Christ. The Church is the birde of Christ. Christ does not have two brides. There is only one Church made up of Jews, Gentiles, and Tribulation saints who believe in Jesus.

[eric]

Quote ( one way july 14 2004 )

Read Revelation 5:9-10. You see the church in heaven BEFORE any judgments are poured out.

I have read that passage, now you go read it. The verse doesn't even mention the "church". Those singing the new song were the twenty four elders and the men out of every tribe and every tongue and every people are the saints and/or martyrs from the OT. They were singing a "new" song because the Lamb that it praises had only recently been slain. You should read the whole chapter and get things into proper context. The whole chapter is about the only One who is worthy to open the seals, and why. You cant read Revelation sequentially, because it isn't written that way..