Ancient Bible fragment found in Egypt.....

[Fez]

I cannot believe that this "discussion" started from a post about a shred of text found in the cover of an old book.

From OP article

Nikolas Sarris spotted a previously unseen section of the Codex Sinaiticus, which dates from about AD350, as he was trawling through photographs of manuscripts in the library of St Catherine's Monastery in Egypt.

Blessings, Fez:

I agree, this thread has deterioriated, which often happens when false doctrine, such as apocryphyl is brought into play. Let me explan a few things to you which you may or may not be aware of, because it is very important for us Christians who defend the Word of God, the Holy Scriptures, canonized by the Jews, to understand why the apocryphal are rejected from the canon of Scripture.

First, in recent times, the apocryphyl began sneaking and showing up in various Bibles by Bible publishers, incorporating them into Scripture in many languages due to the ecumenical movement by the Roman Catholic Church, and this so called shred of text that you refer to is no small matter. If you research it, the American Bible Society catalog of Scripture Resources show at least nine Bible containing false doctrine containing the apocryphal.

That little piece of text in the opening post is not included in the original Hebrew Old Testament which has been preserved by the Jews. The Holy Scriptures clearly state that God used the Jews to preserve His Word in Romans Chapter 3:1-2 not the Roman Catholic Church so we can conclude He saw to it that the Jews would reject the apocryphal books during the canon of Scripture. In fact, during the first centuries after Christ, they were not received as inspired Scripture as they were not even written in the Hebrew language, which alone was used by the inspired prophets of the Old Testament.

The Lord Jesus Christ himself never quoted from the apocryphal in all of His quotes from the Old Testament, nor did His chosen Apostles.

There are many dangerous and contrary false teachings in the apocryphal that are not included in the Christian Bible. I could go on and on, but suffice to say that these are not of God, as you wrote in your post #6

This is an original and accurate document, and is a tremedous find that only go's to reinforce that the Lord's word is true, pure and timeless.

The Greek Septuagint in the Codex includes books not found in the Hebrew Bible and regarded in the Protestant tradition as apocryphal, such as 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, 1 & 4 Maccabees, Wisdom and Sirach

Nikki

1. Ummm...No I did not write that these are of God in my post #6.

2. I believe that the bible I read today is the word of God

3. I refered to, I think you will see, psalm 23

4. I do not live under the law anymore, Jesus freed me from that (I have untied the rope from my ankle)

5. I do not read apocryphal books

6. The codex is a part of our history and should be treated as such, no more

7. Blessings

[nikki1]

I cannot believe that this "discussion" started from a post about a shred of text found in the cover of an old book.

From OP article

Nikolas Sarris spotted a previously unseen section of the Codex Sinaiticus, which dates from about AD350, as he was trawling through photographs of manuscripts in the library of St Catherine's Monastery in Egypt.

Blessings, Fez:

I agree, this thread has deterioriated, which often happens when false doctrine, such as apocryphyl is brought into play. Let me explan a few things to you which you may or may not be aware of, because it is very important for us Christians who defend the Word of God, the Holy Scriptures, canonized by the Jews, to understand why the apocryphal are rejected from the canon of Scripture.

First, in recent times, the apocryphyl began sneaking and showing up in various Bibles by Bible publishers, incorporating them into Scripture in many languages due to the ecumenical movement by the Roman Catholic Church, and this so called shred of text that you refer to is no small matter. If you research it, the American Bible Society catalog of Scripture Resources show at least nine Bible containing false doctrine containing the apocryphal.

That little piece of text in the opening post is not included in the original Hebrew Old Testament which has been preserved by the Jews. The Holy Scriptures clearly state that God used the Jews to preserve His Word in Romans Chapter 3:1-2 not the Roman Catholic Church so we can conclude He saw to it that the Jews would reject the apocryphal books during the canon of Scripture. In fact, during the first centuries after Christ, they were not received as inspired Scripture as they were not even written in the Hebrew language, which alone was used by the inspired prophets of the Old Testament.

The Lord Jesus Christ himself never quoted from the apocryphal in all of His quotes from the Old Testament, nor did His chosen Apostles.

There are many dangerous and contrary false teachings in the apocryphal that are not included in the Christian Bible. I could go on and on, but suffice to say that these are not of God, as you wrote in your post #6

This is an original and accurate document, and is a tremedous find that only go's to reinforce that the Lord's word is true, pure and timeless.

The Greek Septuagint in the Codex includes books not found in the Hebrew Bible and regarded in the Protestant tradition as apocryphal, such as 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, 1 & 4 Maccabees, Wisdom and Sirach

Nikki

1. Ummm...No I did not write that these are of God in my post #6.

2. I believe that the bible I read today is the word of God

3. I refered to, I think you will see, psalm 23

4. I do not live under the law anymore, Jesus freed me from that (I have untied the rope from my ankle)

5. I do not read apocryphal books

6. The codex is a part of our history and should be treated as such, no more

7. Blessings

Blessings, Fez:

If I misunderstood you, I apologize. I erroneously stated the post number in the above post.

You wrote, referring to the Codex, (which is of the apocryphal,) in your post #18

Take a few minutes to go to the link. It is facinating stuff, and it is of God.

Thank you for your clarification.

Nikki

Edited September 16, 2009 by nikki1

[Fez]

I cannot believe that this "discussion" started from a post about a shred of text found in the cover of an old book.

From OP article

Nikolas Sarris spotted a previously unseen section of the Codex Sinaiticus, which dates from about AD350, as he was trawling through photographs of manuscripts in the library of St Catherine's Monastery in Egypt.

Blessings, Fez:

I agree, this thread has deterioriated, which often happens when false doctrine, such as apocryphyl is brought into play. Let me explan a few things to you which you may or may not be aware of, because it is very important for us Christians who defend the Word of God, the Holy Scriptures, canonized by the Jews, to understand why the apocryphal are rejected from the canon of Scripture.

First, in recent times, the apocryphyl began sneaking and showing up in various Bibles by Bible publishers, incorporating them into Scripture in many languages due to the ecumenical movement by the Roman Catholic Church, and this so called shred of text that you refer to is no small matter. If you research it, the American Bible Society catalog of Scripture Resources show at least nine Bible containing false doctrine containing the apocryphal.

That little piece of text in the opening post is not included in the original Hebrew Old Testament which has been preserved by the Jews. The Holy Scriptures clearly state that God used the Jews to preserve His Word in Romans Chapter 3:1-2 not the Roman Catholic Church so we can conclude He saw to it that the Jews would reject the apocryphal books during the canon of Scripture. In fact, during the first centuries after Christ, they were not received as inspired Scripture as they were not even written in the Hebrew language, which alone was used by the inspired prophets of the Old Testament.

The Lord Jesus Christ himself never quoted from the apocryphal in all of His quotes from the Old Testament, nor did His chosen Apostles.

There are many dangerous and contrary false teachings in the apocryphal that are not included in the Christian Bible. I could go on and on, but suffice to say that these are not of God, as you wrote in your post #6

This is an original and accurate document, and is a tremedous find that only go's to reinforce that the Lord's word is true, pure and timeless.

The Greek Septuagint in the Codex includes books not found in the Hebrew Bible and regarded in the Protestant tradition as apocryphal, such as 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, 1 & 4 Maccabees, Wisdom and Sirach

Nikki

1. Ummm...No I did not write that these are of God in my post #6.

2. I believe that the bible I read today is the word of God

3. I refered to, I think you will see, psalm 23

4. I do not live under the law anymore, Jesus freed me from that (I have untied the rope from my ankle)

5. I do not read apocryphal books

6. The codex is a part of our history and should be treated as such, no more

7. Blessings

Blessings, Fez:

If I misunderstood you, I apologize. I erroneously stated the post number in the above post.

You wrote, referring to the Codex, (which is of the apocryphal,) in your post #18

Take a few minutes to go to the link. It is facinating stuff, and it is of God.

Thank you for your clarification.

Nikki

Now we got that right, do you deny, or have you even studied those books of the codex that are actually in the bible? Or do you lump them with the apocryphal books found at the same time? To save you time, would you like me to paste and copy for your edification?

Blessings

[nikki1]

Blessings Fez:

From your link Codex Sinaiticus

The Greek Septuagint in the Codex includes books not found in the Hebrew Bible and regarded in the Protestant tradition as apocryphal, such as 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, 1 & 4 Maccabees, Wisdom and Sirach

Fez wrote

Take a few minutes to go to the link. It is facinating stuff, and it is of God.

do you lump them with the apocryphal books found at the same time?

From the article, the Codex is written in Greek, that's the tip off right there that this piece of literature found in Egypt is not a part of the inspired Hebrew Scriptures as the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, which alone was used by God's inspired Hebrew prophets and/or historians of the Old Testament.

The Codex, handwritten in Greek on animal skin, is the earliest known version of the Bible

All of the books mentioned in the first quote above are included in the apocryphal, and are not of God. As far as lumping them with the apocryphal books found at the same time, it doesn't matter when they were found. If they are included in the list of apocryphal, they are of the apocryphal.

I have read enough of the apocryphal books to know they are not considered to be official Hebrew Scriptures and are uninspired and have dangerous and false and conflicting teachings with the Hebrew Scriptures; I have read enough of these dangerous and false teachings to know that I have no use for them.

Apocryphal itself in Greek means hidden away or secret things. Moses wrote in Deut. 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Nikki

[Fez]

Blessings Fez:

From your link Codex Sinaiticus

The Greek Septuagint in the Codex includes books not found in the Hebrew Bible and regarded in the Protestant tradition as apocryphal, such as 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, 1 & 4 Maccabees, Wisdom and Sirach

Fez wrote

Take a few minutes to go to the link. It is facinating stuff, and it is of God.

do you lump them with the apocryphal books found at the same time?

From the article, the Codex is written in Greek, that's the tip off right there that this piece of literature found in Egypt is not a part of the inspired Hebrew Scriptures as the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, which alone was used by God's inspired Hebrew prophets and/or historians of the Old Testament.

The Codex, handwritten in Greek on animal skin, is the earliest known version of the Bible

All of the books mentioned in the first quote above are included in the apocryphal, and are not of God. As far as lumping them with the apocryphal books found at the same time, it doesn't matter when they were found. If they are included in the list of apocryphal, they are of the apocryphal.

I have read enough of the apocryphal books to know they are not considered to be official Hebrew Scriptures and are uninspired and have dangerous and false and conflicting teachings with the Hebrew Scriptures; I have read enough of these dangerous and false teachings to know that I have no use for them.

Apocryphal itself in Greek means hidden away or secret things. Moses wrote in Deut. 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Nikki

Yeah but I ask again, have you sort of read the version of psalms in the codex before you dismissed it so quickly?

[nikki1]

Blessings Fez:

From your link Codex Sinaiticus

The Greek Septuagint in the Codex includes books not found in the Hebrew Bible and regarded in the Protestant tradition as apocryphal, such as 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, 1 & 4 Maccabees, Wisdom and Sirach

Fez wrote

Take a few minutes to go to the link. It is facinating stuff, and it is of God.

do you lump them with the apocryphal books found at the same time?

From the article, the Codex is written in Greek, that's the tip off right there that this piece of literature found in Egypt is not a part of the inspired Hebrew Scriptures as the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, which alone was used by God's inspired Hebrew prophets and/or historians of the Old Testament.

The Codex, handwritten in Greek on animal skin, is the earliest known version of the Bible

All of the books mentioned in the first quote above are included in the apocryphal, and are not of God. As far as lumping them with the apocryphal books found at the same time, it doesn't matter when they were found. If they are included in the list of apocryphal, they are of the apocryphal.

I have read enough of the apocryphal books to know they are not considered to be official Hebrew Scriptures and are uninspired and have dangerous and false and conflicting teachings with the Hebrew Scriptures; I have read enough of these dangerous and false teachings to know that I have no use for them.

Apocryphal itself in Greek means hidden away or secret things. Moses wrote in Deut. 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Nikki

Yeah but I ask again, have you sort of read the version of psalms in the codex before you dismissed it so quickly?

Hi Fez:

To be honest with you, I haven't had any Holy Spirit leading to get into the Codex Psalms.

Blessings to you,

Nikki

Edited September 17, 2009 by nikki1

[Fez]

That's Ok, each to His own, as long as it leads to Him through the true word!