Science in the Bible.

[MorningGlory]

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Great sense of humor there!

[das_grosse_schwein]

I wanted to ask how secular scientists and science buffs might answer how the bible-especially the OT (written so long ago) had such reliable scientific knowlege in it?

-Isiah 40:22 tells us the World was round when most believed it to be flat. Not until the greeks did 'modern' scientists agree that the Earth was round, but Isiah knew it much earlier than that.

-Job 26:7 tells us that the Earth was hung upon nothing, and we know today that it does infact hang on nothing.

-Job 22:12 tells us that the universe is vast and huge, as we now know it to be.

-Job 36:27-28 describes evaporation in great detail.

-Dueteronomy 12:23 tells us that 'life is in the blood' which, through DNA evidence we find is true, that all the information and life of a person can be found in a single drop of blood.

If not for the bible being given by God to man how would primitive cultures have so much advanced scientific knowlege?

this does not even touch the issues of historical an prophetic evidence that prove the Bible's truth.

It always amazes me why it took scientists so long to figure out what the bible had said all along!

It always amazes me why it took Christians so long to figure out what the bible "had said" all along.

It seems that whenever science makes a discovery that seems to "confirm" a passage in the Bible then and only then do Christians argue the Bible had taught that all along. Not a peep about it before the scientific discovery but once the discovery was made then the old refrain "it was in the Bible all along" becomes the song and dance of Biblical inerrantists worldwide.

[Guest]

.... It seems that whenever science makes a discovery that seems to "confirm" a passage in the Bible then and only then do Christians argue the Bible had taught that all along. Not a peep about it before the scientific discovery but once the discovery was made then the old refrain "it was in the Bible all along" becomes the song and dance of Biblical inerrantists worldwide ....

Dear One You Mock What You Do Not Know Nor Would You Dare Look So As To See

Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

John 9:41

For A-Theism Is A No Prophet - No Bible - No KING - No Song In the Night - Anti-Jesus - Self-Fulling Void

For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Matthew 16:26

And Bible Believers Got The Book Of The Prophets

For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.

Psalms 119:89-90

And The Mighty LORD God, Creator Of All

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Revelation 3:20

With The Joy Of The LORD Jesus

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Hebrews 12:2

Down In Their Hearts

It is of the LORD's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.

They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness.

The LORD is my portion, saith my soul; therefore will I hope in him.

The LORD is good unto them that wait for him, to the soul that seeketh him.

Lamentations 3:22-25

They Know God Is Good

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Galatians 4:6

And They Sing Hallelujah To The KING OF KINGS!

Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Ephesians 5:19

>>>>>()<<<<<

Believe

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:9-10

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love. Joe

The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Jeremiah 31:3

[das_grosse_schwein]

It seems that whenever science makes a discovery that seems to "confirm" a passage in the Bible then and only then do Christians argue the Bible had taught that all along. Not a peep about it before the scientific discovery but once the discovery was made then the old refrain "it was in the Bible all along" becomes the song and dance of Biblical inerrantists worldwide.

But "it was in the Bible all along" wasn't it? Are you an anti-theist? Do you make the absurd claim that you *know* God does not exist?

That is why I am here to discuss. I want to know whether it REALLY is in the Bible afterall. More to the point I want to see if the interpretation of the passages are correct. It just seems interesting though since Christians claim it was really in the Bible all along then why do Christians not know about it first until SCIENCE makes the great "discovery"?

I even admit there are some of these quotations from the Hebrew Scriptures that seem right on. However just because I may be unable to have an answer for all of them doesn't mean there are NO answers for all of them. I am not educated in Science sufficiently well enough.

Are you an anti-theist? Do you make the absurd claim that you *know* God does not exist?

No, I am not an atheist. I am a believer in intelligent design. I am more of a deist than an atheist. As far as Christianity is concerned I am more like a Skeptic. I like to watch TV shows about nature and although the shows always give evolution credit for the marvelous designs in creatures and nature I see only more evidence for an Intelligent Designer. I just cannot see how a blind, unemotional, mindless force can account for all the amazing designs in the world of animals.

Regards,

---David

Edited September 26, 2009 by das_grosse_schwein

[das_grosse_schwein]

That is why I am here to discuss. I want to know whether it REALLY is in the Bible afterall. More to the point I want to see if the interpretation of the passages are correct. It just seems interesting though since Christians claim it was really in the Bible all along then why do Christians not know about it first until SCIENCE makes the great "discovery"?

Horizon wrote:

David - we are glad you are here to discuss. Again, what is in the Bible has been there along. The Bible does not make the claim of being a science textbook

Edited September 26, 2009 by das_grosse_schwein

[Botz]

David wrote:

I believe that Jesus was an historical figure in the first century AD who was executed by Pontius Pilate in Palestine circa 31 AD. I believe that some of his followers came to believe he had been resurrected from the dead and that Paul the Apostle and others spread the new religion all around the Roman Empire. I don't believe that Jesus actually rose from the dead though. However, that is a lengthy debate for another time.

Hi David..good to meet you.

You bring up numerous points that could all become very interesting discussions and arguments...like many other skeptics, atheists and others who come to these boards, and you are most welcome.

Just something to bear in mind that you touched on....Jesus was not executed in Palestine, He died and rose again in Israel...even some bibles make the mistake of referring to Israel as Palestine...mainly due to mis-information and revisionist history that creeps into the text-books.

The letters that Paul wrote and the things that he taught, were not in opposition to the Torah or the Tenach, and were completely in line with the teachings of Jesus....some biblical scholars, and in particular Jewish Torah teachers like to try and make Paul into some sort of bad-guy, who erroneously twisted the teachings of the Jewish rabbi Yeshua to form the basis of a corrupt and new religion.

It's fine that you don't believe Jesus rose from the dead.....yet. That is the position each of us came from too.

[Guest]

.... I believe that some of his followers came to believe he had been resurrected from the dead ....

Unless You Believe

But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

John 20:24-28

You Perish

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:35-36

[MorningGlory]

David wrote:

I believe that Jesus was an historical figure in the first century AD who was executed by Pontius Pilate in Palestine circa 31 AD. I believe that some of his followers came to believe he had been resurrected from the dead and that Paul the Apostle and others spread the new religion all around the Roman Empire. I don't believe that Jesus actually rose from the dead though. However, that is a lengthy debate for another time.

So, you're not a Christian?

[das_grosse_schwein]

David wrote:

I believe that Jesus was an historical figure in the first century AD who was executed by Pontius Pilate in Palestine circa 31 AD. I believe that some of his followers came to believe he had been resurrected from the dead and that Paul the Apostle and others spread the new religion all around the Roman Empire. I don't believe that Jesus actually rose from the dead though. However, that is a lengthy debate for another time.

So, you're not a Christian?

Hi Morning,

I am not a Christian. I have attended church in the past but not so much anymore.

[MorningGlory]

David wrote:

I believe that Jesus was an historical figure in the first century AD who was executed by Pontius Pilate in Palestine circa 31 AD. I believe that some of his followers came to believe he had been resurrected from the dead and that Paul the Apostle and others spread the new religion all around the Roman Empire. I don't believe that Jesus actually rose from the dead though. However, that is a lengthy debate for another time.

So, you're not a Christian?

Hi Morning,

I am not a Christian. I have attended church in the past but not so much anymore.

Thank you for answering my question. I hope that we can show you the Truth here.