Divorce permiited Deut 24:1 ?

[Jedi4Yahweh]

I am not sure what is the point of this discussion, but to justify a horrible event the destroys many homes and children. God absolutely hates divorce and could never condone its practice. Yes there are a few exceptions but either way people are hurt and promises are broken. God hates those who break their promise.

Am I wrong or is there another point to this discussion? And I bet Ted is divorced?

[Rick-Parker]

Romans 7:4--"Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God."

We are dead to the law by the body of Christ set free to marry another. To bring forth fruit unto God,

oc

That's free to be married to Christ, not another person.

hi Parker, IMO you are taking that verse out of context. Jesus says that apart from porenia anyone who remarries commits adultery Mat 19:9, so it is clear that atleast not all are free to remarry. What we are left with IMO is what is porenia and who then can remarry.

Ok, let's put it in context.

Romans 7:4 "Wherefore my brethren, you also are become dead to the Law..." (the Law is not dead, but we are dead to the Law because we are dead to its effects; this means that we are not to try to live for God by means of "Law," whether the Law of Moses, or Laws made up by other men or of ourselves; we are to be dead to all Law)

"....by the body of Christ..." (this refers to the crucification of Christ, which satisfied the demands of the broken Law we could not satisfy; but Christ did it for us; having fulfilled the Law in every respect, the Christian is not obligated to Law in any fashion, only to Christ and what he did at the Cross);

"....that you should be married to another..." (speaking of Christ)

"...even to Him who is raised from the dead..." (we are raised with Him in newness of life, and we should ever understand that Christ has met, does meet, and shall meet our every need; we look to Him exclusively, referring to what He did for us at the Cross),

"....that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (proper fruit can only be brought forth by the believer constantly looking to the Cross; in fact, Christ must never be separated from the work of the Cross; to do so is to produce "another Jesus" as referred to in II Cor. 11:4.)

[humbleseeker]

These divorce and remarry threads realy grind on with people who stand on both sides, probably not going to convince one side or the other. To be real life without sex just because your divorced most young Christians as myself who is divorced are going to sway toward the allowance to be remarried. Those who are not divorced will probably sway toward the other side. Life is peachy till tragedy hits then when everything you thought was perfect fails, you find yourself cast aside ordered to be a monk or nun. Just add another couple tons to the wieght of a divorce. I am not talking about people who get married and divorced for convienience, but about people who have suffered from physical mental pain. Or like my situation a wife just leaving you for someone else. That hurts, and if god wants me to be celebate for a action I did not choose I call it unfair.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Or like my situation a wife just leaving you for someone else. That hurts, and if god wants me to be celebrate for a action I did not choose I call it unfair.

If I am not not mistaking, the bible speaks of your situations where if your spouse abandons you then you are free to remarry...but that needs to taken lightly becuase some spouses leave because they are abused by their husband/wife or they were cheating on them.

[JCISGD]

Romans 7:4--"Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God."

We are dead to the law by the body of Christ set free to marry another. To bring forth fruit unto God,

oc

That's free to be married to Christ, not another person.

hi Parker, IMO you are taking that verse out of context. Jesus says that apart from porenia anyone who remarries commits adultery Mat 19:9, so it is clear that atleast not all are free to remarry. What we are left with IMO is what is porenia and who then can remarry.

Ok, let's put it in context.

Romans 7:4 "Wherefore my brethren, you also are become dead to the Law..." (the Law is not dead, but we are dead to the Law because we are dead to its effects; this means that we are not to try to live for God by means of "Law," whether the Law of Moses, or Laws made up by other men or of ourselves; we are to be dead to all Law)

"....by the body of Christ..." (this refers to the crucification of Christ, which satisfied the demands of the broken Law we could not satisfy; but Christ did it for us; having fulfilled the Law in every respect, the Christian is not obligated to Law in any fashion, only to Christ and what he did at the Cross);

"....that you should be married to another..." (speaking of Christ)

"...even to Him who is raised from the dead..." (we are raised with Him in newness of life, and we should ever understand that Christ has met, does meet, and shall meet our every need; we look to Him exclusively, referring to what He did for us at the Cross),

"....that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (proper fruit can only be brought forth by the believer constantly looking to the Cross; in fact, Christ must never be separated from the work of the Cross; to do so is to produce "another Jesus" as referred to in II Cor. 11:4.)

Im not sure that im getting your point there Parker, correct me if im wrong but you seem to be saying that all Christians being now dead to the law, are free to remarry?

But Jesus himself has said that the only reason divorce does not constitute adultery is if Porneia has been committed, and paul reiterates this when he says the Lords command is that no Christian can divorce, but an unbeliever may depart. What we now have to be sure of is what is Porneia and does letting the unbeliever depart condone divorce as it not expressly written, and can only be assumed.

Let me state that i have changed my original view, and now admit there may be allowance to divorce other than illegal marriage. I am not pushing for either side and only want to arrive at truth. The OP was asking for others to disprove or support the assertions of Ted Weiland, as to me much of what he states does seem to have merit.

[JCISGD]

These divorce and remarry threads realy grind on with people who stand on both sides, probably not going to convince one side or the other. To be real life without sex just because your divorced most young Christians as myself who is divorced are going to sway toward the allowance to be remarried. Those who are not divorced will probably sway toward the other side. Life is peachy till tragedy hits then when everything you thought was perfect fails, you find yourself cast aside ordered to be a monk or nun. Just add another couple tons to the wieght of a divorce. I am not talking about people who get married and divorced for convienience, but about people who have suffered from physical mental pain. Or like my situation a wife just leaving you for someone else. That hurts, and if god wants me to be celebate for a action I did not choose I call it unfair.

Hi hs, i started this topic as i came accross fairly strong proof that i have been wrong about divorce and now i am unsure and asking others for help re the assertions of Ted Weiland. Have your done a web search of him, he has some strong pro divorce evidences.

I am a divorced person through infedelity on both sides, but i became a Christian and did not want to divorce, believing for God to bring healing and make us a family again, but she did not have the same faith. Its been 20 yrs now and i have sought to remarry but it has always been disasterous. Then i came accross strong evidence that remarriage was adultery, now i am unsure again and i just want to know the truth. What has what i think or want got to do with what God commands, we must be willing to live Gods way or forfeit salvation.

If you involve your understanding based on how you are affected, are you not in danger of making your own god?

[Jedi4Yahweh]

These divorce and remarry threads realy grind on with people who stand on both sides, probably not going to convince one side or the other. To be real life without sex just because your divorced most young Christians as myself who is divorced are going to sway toward the allowance to be remarried. Those who are not divorced will probably sway toward the other side. Life is peachy till tragedy hits then when everything you thought was perfect fails, you find yourself cast aside ordered to be a monk or nun. Just add another couple tons to the wieght of a divorce. I am not talking about people who get married and divorced for convienience, but about people who have suffered from physical mental pain. Or like my situation a wife just leaving you for someone else. That hurts, and if god wants me to be celebate for a action I did not choose I call it unfair.

Hi hs, i started this topic as i came accross fairly strong proof that i have been wrong about divorce and now i am unsure and asking others for help re the assertions of Ted Weiland. Have your done a web search of him, he has some strong pro divorce evidences.

I am a divorced person through infedelity on both sides, but i became a Christian and did not want to divorce, believing for God to bring healing and make us a family again, but she did not have the same faith. Its been 20 yrs now and i have sought to remarry but it has always been disasterous. Then i came accross strong evidence that remarriage was adultery, now i am unsure again and i just want to know the truth. What has what i think or want got to do with what God commands, we must be willing to live Gods way or forfeit salvation.

If you involve your understanding based on how you are affected, are you not in danger of making your own god?

I am really sorry to hear. I am not a marriage expert and I have never been in that situation, so I really don't know what God allows in those situations. I know it happens even to the best of people. I pray God gives you wisdom and guidance.

[Rick-Parker]

Im not sure that im getting your point there Parker, correct me if im wrong but you seem to be saying that all Christians being now dead to the law, are free to remarry?

But Jesus himself has said that the only reason divorce does not constitute adultery is if Porneia has been committed, and paul reiterates this when he says the Lords command is that no Christian can divorce, but an unbeliever may depart. What we now have to be sure of is what is Porneia and does letting the unbeliever depart condone divorce as it not expressly written, and can only be assumed.

Let me state that i have changed my original view, and now admit there may be allowance to divorce other than illegal marriage. I am not pushing for either side and only want to arrive at truth. The OP was asking for others to disprove or support the assertions of Ted Weiland, as to me much of what he states does seem to have merit.

That is not what I'm saying at all. I am talking about this scripture verse only. I am saying that in this scripture, the Holy Spirit is teaching us "that you should be married to another, even to Him who is raised from the dead"; i.e. Christ. Not that we are free to divorce and remarry. This verse was being misused in this subject.

[JCISGD]

Im not sure that im getting your point there Parker, correct me if im wrong but you seem to be saying that all Christians being now dead to the law, are free to remarry?

But Jesus himself has said that the only reason divorce does not constitute adultery is if Porneia has been committed, and paul reiterates this when he says the Lords command is that no Christian can divorce, but an unbeliever may depart. What we now have to be sure of is what is Porneia and does letting the unbeliever depart condone divorce as it not expressly written, and can only be assumed.

Let me state that i have changed my original view, and now admit there may be allowance to divorce other than illegal marriage. I am not pushing for either side and only want to arrive at truth. The OP was asking for others to disprove or support the assertions of Ted Weiland, as to me much of what he states does seem to have merit.

That is not what I'm saying at all. I am talking about this scripture verse only. I am saying that in this scripture, the Holy Spirit is teaching us "that you should be married to another, even to Him who is raised from the dead"; i.e. Christ. Not that we are free to divorce and remarry. This verse was being misused in this subject.

Ok sorryi think i got you mixed up with Openly Curious ?, its all lost on me, as im still stuck on my OP and wanting know how God/Jesus can allow divorce through Moses, and then appear to denounce all divorce as adultery unless one spouse has already been sexually unfaithful in Mat 5:32 ? "whoever marries a divorced women commits adultery" ?

I guess i need to pray and seek God about it, there are so many variations of opinion out there.

[OneLight]

Ok sorry it was lost on me, as im still stuck on my OP and wanting know how God/Jesus can allow divorce through Moses, and then appear to denounce all divorce as adultery unless one spouse has already been sexually unfaithful in Mat 5:32 ? "whoever marries a divorced women commits adultery" ?

Before Christ ascended to His Father, there was no Holy Spirit for the church to guide us in our every day life. Man was basically alone trying to live according to the law. Now that we have His Spirit in us, we have no excuse not to live according to His will, if we are in deed willing to be led by His Spirit. Being willing to live for Him according to scripture and His leading of His Spirit, we would have what it takes to live through any situation scripture tells us to live through.

Not only are we allowed to divorce due to unfaithfulness, but when an unbeliever wants a divorce due to our faith in Christ.