Divorce permiited Deut 24:1 ?

[JCISGD]

Mat 19:3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, "Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?"

Mat 19:4 He answered, "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female,

Mat 19:5 and said, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'?

Mat 19:6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

Mat 19:7 They said to him, "Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?"

Mat 19:8 He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.

Mat 19:9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery."

I think this goes a way to answer the Deut 24:1 question?

Not really as although Jesus said divorce was not in Gods original intent, He did not dispute Moses authority to give allowance for divorce.

So if divorce is acknowledged as legitimate by God through Moses then can it be adultery to remarry if properly divorced ?

If divorce does not break the bond of marriage then those divorced would be in adultery and be guilty of capital offense.

If Moses allowed divorce for any reason and God did not rebuke him for it we can only think that adultery is only if not divorced, but Jesus is saying if remarried except in the case of porenia/fornication then it is adultery. In other words divorce does not break the bond of a first marriage.

Why also does only Mathew have an exception? in some places people only have pages of the bible and if reading Jesus` words in the other gospels would believe there was no exception.

Have you read Ted Weilands article it easy to find on google ?

[Jedi4Yahweh]

If Moses allowed divorce for any reason and God did not rebuke him for it we can only think that adultery is only if not divorced, but Jesus is saying if remarried except in the case of porenia/fornication then it is adultery. In other words divorce does not break the bond of a first marriage.

I wonder what is the difference between God's law and Mose's law. Even Jesus says, Moses allowed but did not mention God allowed.

Why also does only Mathew have an exception? in some places people only have pages of the bible and if reading Jesus` words in the other gospels would believe there was no exception.

Paul , also gives an exception in 1 Cor. 7. Paul seems to say that your allowed to divorce if the spouse is an unbeliever, but he recommends against it. I wonder what he bases this exception on.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Have you read Ted Weilands article it easy to find on google ?

I briefly read one of his articles on divorce and not sure that I agree with his argument.

It sounds like he is saying that God does not hate divorce but only hates those who put away their wives with out a written divorce. I think he is having to stretch a lot of scriptures to make that connection. I believe God hates divorce in general whither its written or not. Divorce wrecks havoc on families especially the children of divorced parents. I couldn't imagine God being anything but displeased the with Divorce no matter if its legal divorce or an undocumented put away, both destroy lives. I would say this guys sounds like he is trying to justify written divorces as ok with God. I could be wrong, I have only read that one article.

See example below:

The King James Version translated Malachi 2:16 correctly:

For Yehowah, the God of Israel saith that He hateth [the] putting away…

In other words, the treachery committed by these men was not in divorcing their wives, but rather in that they were putting their wives away without a certificate of divorce. In their vindictiveness, they were putting their wives in a horrible no win predicament. If the wives had "remarried" or had attached themselves to another man, they would have been subject to stoning for adultery since without a certificate of divorce they were still lawfully married to their first husband. If they would not commit adultery then these women were left to fend for themselves which was nearly impossible under the conditions of that time.

Consequently, one can perceive the treachery in what these men were doing, and consequently understand why God would hate it. You can also visualize the hardness of some men's hearts and then understand why Yehowah would provide for divorce (Mark 10:2-5). On the other hand, if divorce itself is treachery then even God promoted it by allowing for it and even making provisions for it in Deuteronomy 24. Additionally, God would be guilty of treachery Himself since He divorced His wife, Israel.

[Smalcald]

Two things.

Yes I wanted to know if Ted W. is divorced or not in his life.

Secondly from what I can tell Ted Wieland is in to this idea that Northern Europeans, and germanic peoples are the true genetic Jews.

It looked wacky but I did read some things quickly, maybe I misunderstood.

[humbleseeker]

Well a question that I brought up once, was if God dose not reckognize divorce. The woman seems to be singled out in the scripture. We know that God was not angered over many wives, so if men divorce is it like putting her away, and when he takes another wife she is like a second wife? But the first is still bound to the man who divorced her. I dont no? If I could afford it i wouldnt mind having a few wives. lol

[JCISGD]

Have you read Ted Weilands article it easy to find on google ?

I briefly read one of his articles on divorce and not sure that I agree with his argument.

It sounds like he is saying that God does not hate divorce but only hates those who put away their wives with out a written divorce. I think he is having to stretch a lot of scriptures to make that connection. I believe God hates divorce in general whither its written or not. Divorce wrecks havoc on families especially the children of divorced parents. I couldn't imagine God being anything but displeased the with Divorce no matter if its legal divorce or an undocumented put away, both destroy lives. I would say this guys sounds like he is trying to justify written divorces as ok with God. I could be wrong, I have only read that one article.

See example below:

The King James Version translated Malachi 2:16 correctly:

For Yehowah, the God of Israel saith that He hateth [the] putting away

[JCISGD]

Two things.

Yes I wanted to know if Ted W. is divorced or not in his life.

Secondly from what I can tell Ted Wieland is in to this idea that Northern Europeans, and germanic peoples are the true genetic Jews.

It looked wacky but I did read some things quickly, maybe I misunderstood.

Yes it does appear he has some wacky ideas, but the truth is the truth and i need to know if there is any merit in his teaching on Moses allowance for divorce being from God/Jesus, and therefore not Jesus` intention to bring conflict with it by then calling all remarriage adultery, which it appears He does with the words "he that marries a divorced women commits adultery" ?

But if He was saying as Weiland asserts "he that marries her that is put away(not properly divorced) commits adultery" then for me it makes sense of some scriptures that dont appear to line up.

Weiland says that alot of christians get it wrong because they do not understand that the not one jot of the law has been done away with, but he is not talking about all the traditions of man or the cultural and cerimonial laws that God gave only to Israel.

I tend to think he is right when he says Jesus will not contradict the Father, remembering that as David said under inspiration,"thy law is perfect"IMO means that God will not and infact cannot rescind a moral law, as it is based on whats moral and good and not arbitually given.

Smd did you read the article carefully, i need proofs that he is right or wrong.

[Smalcald]

No I didn't I will take another look.

I must admit sometimes if in one area of a doctrine is so very strange or simply very offensive, I usually write everything else off as tainted. The same mind came up with all of it, so why trust any of it? Do you know what I mean?

[Rick-Parker]

Romans 7:4--"Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God."

We are dead to the law by the body of Christ set free to marry another. To bring forth fruit unto God,

oc

That's free to be married to Christ, not another person.

[JCISGD]

Romans 7:4--"Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God."

We are dead to the law by the body of Christ set free to marry another. To bring forth fruit unto God,

oc

That's free to be married to Christ, not another person.

hi Parker, IMO you are taking that verse out of context. Jesus says that apart from porenia anyone who remarries commits adultery Mat 19:9, so it is clear that atleast not all are free to remarry. What we are left with IMO is what is porenia and who then can remarry.