Questions for people who say Christians can't accept evolution

[irishcowboy]

Super-Fly, what 'truth' did you expexct when you joined a Christian Forum?

That's not what I mean. I know what the "truth" of the forum is, I just think its nasty to say all atheists are going to hell when some are better people than some Christians I know. It should be based on the goodness in your life, not believing in some supernatural being. Its like a cop-out.

It doesn't matter to God what you think it should be. Salvation is based on your acceptance of what Christ did on the Cross to pay for your sins. Not how good you think you are. There is going to be a lot of good people in Hell.

Yeah, and by the looks of it, a lot of "great" people in heaven. Rapists, pedophiles, serial killers who all "repent." Not to mention Hitler, Jerry Falwell, Fred Phelps and his gang of lunatics, George W. Bush, etc etc. I think that being a good person and an atheist is better than believing in god and being a nasty person.

The Bible (The Word Of God) is very specific about who will and who will not see Heaven..... those that are sexually immoral (any form other then husband(man) and wife (woman)

this even includes those that are abusers of themselves... liars will not see heaven either, nor whoremongers, idoliters (as far as the Presidents of the USA, you may wish to look at the Bohemian Grove group) any one that worships anyone or anythng except God.... those that reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ, crucified, rizen......

there is only one way.. and that is Through Christ, Jesus. people that go against Israel will not be going for they are against the promise that God gave Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...

there are many more that will not see Heaven either.....

what constitutes a "GOOD PERSON".....

I use to be able to run 5 miles in under 22 minutes.... does that make me a good runner?

I use to swim every day, and have been known to swim a mile at a time.... does that make me a good swimmer?

to some people I am pretty tall.... does that mean I am tall?

some call me a good person.... why do they call me good? just because I do not cheat them? or because I do not steal from them? or maybe because I have given some one some food or water? come now, am I really good if I do not charge late fees on rent (or enforce them)? what makes me good????

I will tell you, I have completed a couple marithon runs, I have swam quite a bit, I am tall, for some people, others say I am short.... I do my best to do God's will, not worrying about mans, by doing God's will, and staying in His graces rather then mans, is more of what I intend to do, not out of duty, but out of love.....

am I good? well, depends on what standard a person is using to measure my "goodness" Goodness being a relative term..... the standard to use, is the Word of God...

if I use the Bible, I have been an abomination unto the Lord in my life.... I have stolen, I hae coveted, I have commited adultry (in my heart) I have lied, I have all but murdered...

what makes it so I can go into the Kingdom of God? FORGIVENESS AND REPENTANCE THROUGH JESUS, THE CHRIST..... that's what.... with out that, I have nothing, no hope, and I realized that a goood number of years ago.....

mike

[Rick-Parker]

Super-Fly, what 'truth' did you expexct when you joined a Christian Forum?

That's not what I mean. I know what the "truth" of the forum is, I just think its nasty to say all atheists are going to hell when some are better people than some Christians I know. It should be based on the goodness in your life, not believing in some supernatural being. Its like a cop-out.

It doesn't matter to God what you think it should be. Salvation is based on your acceptance of what Christ did on the Cross to pay for your sins. Not how good you think you are. There is going to be a lot of good people in Hell.

Yeah, and by the looks of it, a lot of "great" people in heaven. Rapists, pedophiles, serial killers who all "repent." Not to mention Hitler, Jerry Falwell, Fred Phelps and his gang of lunatics, George W. Bush, etc etc. I think that being a good person and an atheist is better than believing in god and being a nasty person.

First off, the "repenting" has to be sincere and not just done in an attempt to escape judgment at the last moment. No one can know for sure who has accepted Christ, but I doubt Hitler and the like won't be in heaven. If I were you, I wouldn't wait too long before you realize that you are a sinner (no matter how "good" you are) and that you need Jesus, who has already paid your sin debt. Because if you don't and you die in your sin, you will end up in hell with Hitler, Stalin, most mass murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and of course - the one you serve now - Satan. It's gonna be hot down there !!

How loving Can I ask you something? I read your testimony. Those people that you stole painkillers from, did any of them suffer because of it? Or die? Have you ever apologized to them for it?

I never asked Jesus to "die" for my sins. He never technically died anyways. I don't feel I owe anything to someone who willingly "died" for me and now demands my servitude.

Yes, they suffered for what I did. Did any die because of what I did? I don't know. Did I ever get the chance to apologize to them? No, I didn't. But, I don't no longer feel guilty. I have been forgiven for what I have done because I have confessed my sin to God. I know for a fact that I have a place in Heaven because of my faith in the Blood of Christ as the payment in full for whatever I have done.

No, you didn't ask Jesus (God) to die for you. He did it willingly because He loves you. He loves you even though you don't believe in Him. And He really did die. He was dead for 3 days. Then He rose from the grave, defeating death and sealing the fate of Satan. He remained on earth and appeared in the flesh to scores of people. After 40 days He ascended into Heaven in the view of scores of people. He will return in the same manner, in the exact same spot, in the view of the entire world. That time is near. Are you ready?

Oh, and I apologize if my last comment in my prior statement seemed unloving. I was trying to lighten the mood a little, guess I failed at that.

You will be in my prayers.

[irishcowboy]

How loving Can I ask you something? I read your testimony. Those people that you stole painkillers from, did any of them suffer because of it? Or die? Have you ever apologized to them for it?

I never asked Jesus to "die" for my sins. He never technically died anyways. I don't feel I owe anything to someone who willingly "died" for me and now demands my servitude.

I will agree with you, I did not ask Jesus to die for me either, He died for us, because he wanted to have you with Him through out all eternity....

as far as him dying, the scientific proof is there, when the heart sack sheds water, when water pours out of the body, that is when the heart is no longer functioning.

you OWE everything, the problem is, nothing we (or you) can do will ever make up for it, there is no way you (or me) can pay restitution for what we have done in our lives....

just on earth, if I was caught, tried and convicted of every little thing I did, I would be spending well over 200 years behind bars.. am I any better then you? no, not in the least, but I did realize that I needed some one else to lean on rather then my own self...

I was headed down the wide and easy path straight to hell.... God showed me, I repented, God had already forgiven my sins, I just had to accept it (the gift of forgiveness and salvation) it is still there for you should you want it, He (God) will not force it on you, you have been given the choice to either accept it, or reject it.... the choice is yours.... should you wait too long, that choice will not be there, and you will be lost with others that have rejected God, rejected His plan of salvation, His Son Jesus....

your choice.... God gave us that choice,

make your decission soon, cause not too far down the road, you will no longer have that choice....

mike

[MorningGlory]

Super-Fly, what 'truth' did you expexct when you joined a Christian Forum?

That's not what I mean. I know what the "truth" of the forum is, I just think its nasty to say all atheists are going to hell when some are better people than some Christians I know. It should be based on the goodness in your life, not believing in some supernatural being. Its like a cop-out.

Well, unfortunately, salvation is not based on works just because you think it should be. There's only one way to Heaven and that's through Jesus the Messiah. And, yes, all atheists, who don't repent, are going to hell. It is as God says it will be.

[MorningGlory]

Super-Fly, what 'truth' did you expexct when you joined a Christian Forum?

That's not what I mean. I know what the "truth" of the forum is, I just think its nasty to say all atheists are going to hell when some are better people than some Christians I know. It should be based on the goodness in your life, not believing in some supernatural being. Its like a cop-out.

It doesn't matter to God what you think it should be. Salvation is based on your acceptance of what Christ did on the Cross to pay for your sins. Not how good you think you are. There is going to be a lot of good people in Hell.

Yeah, and by the looks of it, a lot of "great" people in heaven. Rapists, pedophiles, serial killers who all "repent." Not to mention Hitler, Jerry Falwell, Fred Phelps and his gang of lunatics, George W. Bush, etc etc. I think that being a good person and an atheist is better than believing in god and being a nasty person.

First off, the "repenting" has to be sincere and not just done in an attempt to escape judgment at the last moment. No one can know for sure who has accepted Christ, but I doubt Hitler and the like won't be in heaven. If I were you, I wouldn't wait too long before you realize that you are a sinner (no matter how "good" you are) and that you need Jesus, who has already paid your sin debt. Because if you don't and you die in your sin, you will end up in hell with Hitler, Stalin, most mass murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and of course - the one you serve now - Satan. It's gonna be hot down there !!

How loving Can I ask you something? I read your testimony. Those people that you stole painkillers from, did any of them suffer because of it? Or die? Have you ever apologized to them for it?

I never asked Jesus to "die" for my sins. He never technically died anyways. I don't feel I owe anything to someone who willingly "died" for me and now demands my servitude.

You may not agree that you owe Him a debt of gratitude but you WILL pay it if you continue to deny Him. I will pray for your eyes to be opened.

[Guest Super-Fly]

I've never killed anyone, I don't cheat or steal, I've never gambled, and other than the occasional beer I don't really drink. I live my life in accordance with the law and because I don't want to nor have any reason to do harm to anyone. I think that's more important than saying I believe in a god. Our choices reflect the life we will live on earth. Its the only one we have. There may be something after death, but it sure isn't hell and heaven. The idea of hell is laughable to me because of how detailed people who tell me I'm going there make it. As if they would know The Bible is a very important piece of literature and it is incredibly useful as a learning tool, but not for science or morality or life.

[MorningGlory]

Super-Fly, what 'truth' did you expexct when you joined a Christian Forum?

That's not what I mean. I know what the "truth" of the forum is, I just think its nasty to say all atheists are going to hell when some are better people than some Christians I know. It should be based on the goodness in your life, not believing in some supernatural being. Its like a cop-out.

It doesn't matter to God what you think it should be. Salvation is based on your acceptance of what Christ did on the Cross to pay for your sins. Not how good you think you are. There is going to be a lot of good people in Hell.

Yeah, and by the looks of it, a lot of "great" people in heaven. Rapists, pedophiles, serial killers who all "repent." Not to mention Hitler, Jerry Falwell, Fred Phelps and his gang of lunatics, George W. Bush, etc etc. I think that being a good person and an atheist is better than believing in god and being a nasty person.

It really doesn't matter what YOU think, superfly. God decides your fate. An atheist denies Him and is destined for damnation. It's not negotiable.

[OneLight]

I've never killed anyone, I don't cheat or steal, I've never gambled, and other than the occasional beer I don't really drink. I live my life in accordance with the law and because I don't want to nor have any reason to do harm to anyone. I think that's more important than saying I believe in a god. Our choices reflect the life we will live on earth. Its the only one we have. There may be something after death, but it sure isn't hell and heaven. The idea of hell is laughable to me because of how detailed people who tell me I'm going there make it. As if they would know The Bible is a very important piece of literature and it is incredibly useful as a learning tool, but not for science or morality or life.

Christians will disagree that this is the only life that we will live. We believe in life after physical death. You laugh with a nervous laugh, hoping you are right. What are you learning from scripture if it is not that we all have sinned and need a Savior? How do you expect to even understand what you read when a lot of it makes no sense to you?

1 Corinthians 1:18

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

[Guest Super-Fly]

I've never killed anyone, I don't cheat or steal, I've never gambled, and other than the occasional beer I don't really drink. I live my life in accordance with the law and because I don't want to nor have any reason to do harm to anyone. I think that's more important than saying I believe in a god. Our choices reflect the life we will live on earth. Its the only one we have. There may be something after death, but it sure isn't hell and heaven. The idea of hell is laughable to me because of how detailed people who tell me I'm going there make it. As if they would know The Bible is a very important piece of literature and it is incredibly useful as a learning tool, but not for science or morality or life.

Christians will disagree that this is the only life that we will live. We believe in life after physical death. You laugh with a nervous laugh, hoping you are right. What are you learning from scripture if it is not that we all have sinned and need a Savior? How do you expect to even understand what you read when a lot of it makes no sense to you?

1 Corinthians 1:18

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Its not that it doesn't make sense, I just choose not to take it literally. Its a good read for sure. Interesting stories. The Bible should be in English literature classrooms. But as a book of fiction. I don't believe in calling myself a servant to someone I never met. Dying for others is noble, but that's all it is. Noble. I can say that Jesus was a good guy standing up for what he believed in and being a relatively good person to people he met, but I won't say that I owe him anything. I didn't have a choice in the matter. I wasn't asked if I wanted someone to die for me and be obedient to them.

[OneLight]

I've never killed anyone, I don't cheat or steal, I've never gambled, and other than the occasional beer I don't really drink. I live my life in accordance with the law and because I don't want to nor have any reason to do harm to anyone. I think that's more important than saying I believe in a god. Our choices reflect the life we will live on earth. Its the only one we have. There may be something after death, but it sure isn't hell and heaven. The idea of hell is laughable to me because of how detailed people who tell me I'm going there make it. As if they would know The Bible is a very important piece of literature and it is incredibly useful as a learning tool, but not for science or morality or life.

Christians will disagree that this is the only life that we will live. We believe in life after physical death. You laugh with a nervous laugh, hoping you are right. What are you learning from scripture if it is not that we all have sinned and need a Savior? How do you expect to even understand what you read when a lot of it makes no sense to you?

1 Corinthians 1:18

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Its not that it doesn't make sense, I just choose not to take it literally. Its a good read for sure. Interesting stories. The Bible should be in English literature classrooms. But as a book of fiction. I don't believe in calling myself a servant to someone I never met. Dying for others is noble, but that's all it is. Noble. I can say that Jesus was a good guy standing up for what he believed in and being a relatively good person to people he met, but I won't say that I owe him anything. I didn't have a choice in the matter. I wasn't asked if I wanted someone to die for me and be obedient to them.

Walking on the moon use to be considered friction. I would really ask myself how is it that DNA has enough information stored inside that if you were to write it in books, the volumes would almost reach the sun ... is this something that came about by chance or by a Creator we call God. I can understand how it would seem far fetched if you never gave it any true, deep soul searching.