Questions for people who say Christians can't accept evolution

[spiritman]

I don't know why the evolutionists keep trying to prove an unprovable theory, one would think by now, with all the information we gave them, to de-bunk evolution, you think they would turn and repent. Con-Science, Hal, lurker, Since evolution has been debunked the only thing left is creation. it's not rocket science

Wow. I have to say if evolution was de-bunked we might have heard about it. Maybe a small newspaper headline, or maybe a bit on the radio. No. Oh well, they must just not announce big events like that anymore.

Well; when the same people who have conspired to over through Christianity, have bought the major news organizations, and control the Education in this country, yup I'd say your not going to hear much about it.

[spiritman]

No it is not my "personal" interpretation. Interpretation isn't, by nature, personal nor subjective. Jesus IS coming back to earth. That is Bible 101. The Bible teaches the bodily return of Jesus to the earth. To reject that is to call God a liar.

Its a self-fulfilling prophecy. Those who believe (and want) Jesus to return will be ecstatic about the end times (and in turn do what they can to hasten it). Its not magic, its not a prophecy come true, its not a miracle, its not Judgement Day...its self-fulfilling. Those who (strongly) believe the world will end (soon) and that they'll be whisked away to heaven support nuclear wars, genocide, apartheid, poverty, AIDS, "ethnic" cleansing, religious cleansing, etc because they all contribute to the end times and the second coming of Jesus. Its disgusting.

Not true; How sad it is to believe such a lie. The truth is even though I'm looking forward to the coming of Jesus, and my heart is filled with Joy because of this.

It gives me no pleasure at all to see anyone suffer.

[MorningGlory]

This thread has descended into the usual name calling and oneupsmanship; can we get back to the topic?

[spiritman]

Its a self-fulfilling prophecy. Those who believe (and want) Jesus to return will be ecstatic about the end times (and in turn do what they can to hasten it). Its not magic, its not a prophecy come true, its not a miracle, its not Judgement Day...its self-fulfilling. Those who (strongly) believe the world will end (soon) and that they'll be whisked away to heaven support nuclear wars, genocide, apartheid, poverty, AIDS, "ethnic" cleansing, religious cleansing, etc because they all contribute to the end times and the second coming of Jesus. Its disgusting.

Do you understand what an ignorant post looks like? If not reread your last blather. Do you ever say anything intelligent?

Do you ever stop insulting people because your large ego needs to feed itself so often that putting others down is the only way to do it? Don't bother answering, its a rhetorical question.

The fact of the matter is, religious fundamentalism will destroy our world and the ones who believe this will happen soon support it. Why wouldn't they? The sooner Jesus comes, the sooner you'll all be basking in heavenly glory. You have absolutely no reason to help. There are Christians who support nuclear war (to "save" Israel). There are those who believe the "war on terror" is a Holy War. When two ideologies go head to head, especially in this day and age, we're all screwed.

First off Chris; I want to apologize for the comment I made earlier; it was uncalled for, Some times I get a bit frustrated with this discussion.

I can tell you that I would be ok, if Jesus put off His coming back, so that we could get that one last soul, that needed to hear the gospel.

[spiritman]

Wow Chris you are very wrong - religious fundentalism of one form or another is what this nation is founded on- this supposed holy war you talk of is defending innocents against Muslim extremists who even kill there own people and deny basic human rights to women and children- this deeply rooted mysogyny is one thing Christianity seeks to eradicate and if the

only way to protect humanity is to destroy these evil doers then in my opinion it is the only choice.

What?!? The founding fathers were secularists and believed in the separation of church and state. Religious fundmentalism is what they didn't want.

This "Holy War" is trying to eradicate one ideology in place of another. It kills innocents. It takes revenge. And its stupid and ill-advised.

The problem is the "evil doers" are not a universal group that everyone agrees are evil. As soon as Christianity starts calling the shots with who is considered evil and who is not, we're all screwed (again). But we already are. It'll be for religious reasons the first time a nuclear bomb is set off.

What!! You don't see how Christians are persecuted in this and other countries and set back and take it, and don't say a thing? What planet do live on.

[spiritman]

Its a self-fulfilling prophecy. Those who believe (and want) Jesus to return will be ecstatic about the end times (and in turn do what they can to hasten it). Its not magic, its not a prophecy come true, its not a miracle, its not Judgement Day...its self-fulfilling. Those who (strongly) believe the world will end (soon) and that they'll be whisked away to heaven support nuclear wars, genocide, apartheid, poverty, AIDS, "ethnic" cleansing, religious cleansing, etc because they all contribute to the end times and the second coming of Jesus. Its disgusting.

Do you understand what an ignorant post looks like? If not reread your last blather. Do you ever say anything intelligent?

Do you ever stop insulting people because your large ego needs to feed itself so often that putting others down is the only way to do it? Don't bother answering, its a rhetorical question.

The fact of the matter is, religious fundamentalism will destroy our world and the ones who believe this will happen soon support it. Why wouldn't they? The sooner Jesus comes, the sooner you'll all be basking in heavenly glory. You have absolutely no reason to help. There are Christians who support nuclear war (to "save" Israel). There are those who believe the "war on terror" is a Holy War. When two ideologies go head to head, especially in this day and age, we're all screwed.

First off Chris; I want to apologize for the comment I made earlier; it was uncalled for, Some times I get a bit frustrated with this discussion.

I can tell you that I would be ok, if Jesus put off His coming back, so that we could get that one last soul, that needed to hear the gospel.

So, okay now what I want to know is does it say specifically in the Bible when Jesus is supposed to come? Does something need to happen first?

Well To answer you're first question, The rapture is the next thing that is on the schedule, there are no signs specific signs for this. However a lot prophecy in the bible is currently being fulfilled or has been fulfilled; So because of this we know that the time is near.

Here are some major things that tip us off.

1. when it close to the end Israel will once again become a nation; this happened May 15, 1947 or 1948

Ezek 36:24 (NASB)

24 "For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land

Ezek 37:12 (NASB)12 "Therefore prophesy and say to them, 'Thus says the Lord God, "Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel.

1 Thess 4:13-18 (NASB)

2. The rapture: In this Jesus will not actually touch the ground but will call all saints up to heaven for 7 years; while those here who did not believe, will remain on earth to face

7 years of horrible tribulations; Earth quakes, famines, wars, death. darkness.

13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout , with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

3. then in the book of revelation after chapter 4: God focuses back on Israel, the church is in heaven. Then after 7 years Christ comes back, and sets up His one thousand years reign.

[spiritman]

Wow Chris you are very wrong - religious fundentalism of one form or another is what this nation is founded on- this supposed holy war you talk of is defending innocents against Muslim extremists who even kill there own people and deny basic human rights to women and children- this deeply rooted mysogyny is one thing Christianity seeks to eradicate and if the

only way to protect humanity is to destroy these evil doers then in my opinion it is the only choice.

What?!? The founding fathers were secularists and believed in the separation of church and state. Religious fundmentalism is what they didn't want.

This "Holy War" is trying to eradicate one ideology in place of another. It kills innocents. It takes revenge. And its stupid and ill-advised.

The problem is the "evil doers" are not a universal group that everyone agrees are evil. As soon as Christianity starts calling the shots with who is considered evil and who is not, we're all screwed (again). But we already are. It'll be for religious reasons the first time a nuclear bomb is set off.

What!! You don't see how Christians are persecuted in this and other countries and set back and take it, and don't say a thing? What planet do live on.

Christians persecuted in America? I don't think so. After all, the "American Taliban" is ever present in politics.

Well; first off some people have a different definition for the word persecution; Some people believe that it is only when you are getting killed for your faith. However let's look at the Merriam Websters definition of persecution.

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[MorningGlory]

Also got a Holy Bible app on my iPhone - I get weird looks from the

old folks at church who think I'm playing around - Im taking notes over here! They even have the book of common prayer but it costs money what a rip off!

So what is your favorite part so far?

I really like Romans - fantastic writing -

Esther. Hands down.

[ellarose]

Also got a Holy Bible app on my iPhone - I get weird looks from the

old folks at church who think I'm playing around - Im taking notes over here! They even have the book of common prayer but it costs money what a rip off!

So what is your favorite part so far?

I really like Romans - fantastic writing -

Esther. Hands down.

Yay for Esther!

(my contribution to this thread...)

Edited October 28, 2009 by ellarose

[MorningGlory]

Also got a Holy Bible app on my iPhone - I get weird looks from the

old folks at church who think I'm playing around - Im taking notes over here! They even have the book of common prayer but it costs money what a rip off!

So what is your favorite part so far?

I really like Romans - fantastic writing -

Esther. Hands down.

Yay for Esther!

(my contribution to this thread...)