Questions for people who say Christians can't accept evolution

[MorningGlory]

Macroevolution is microevolution, just over a longer time period.

That's one theory....

Yup, the best one.

I've been reading a lot about evolution lately and it seems that the scientific community still doesn't call evolution above the species level absolute fact; just a really good theory.

[CSLewis]

If the Beginning of the Bible is not literal, and the ending of the Bible is non literal, then how do you know that the stories of Jesus really happened as literal events? What measuring stick do you use to believe the crucifixion and resurrection are real events? How do you decide which parts of the Bible to believe and which parts to reject.

You have to apply methods of criticism, archaeology, tradition and the Holy Spirit but even still many Christians are divided even on soterology - of course logic only leads you to a paradox, an antinomy. And it is there our faith rests in the cross and an empty grave.

[MorningGlory]

Macroevolution is microevolution, just over a longer time period.

That's one theory....

Yup, the best one.

the best one for those who have an agenda to push, sure.

Haha, I wouldn't be talking about agendas. Its the only thing Creationists have.

Poor Christopher....do you not realize we have the Creator of the Universe and everything in it? He doesn't care about man's little agendas and papers, I'm sure. You know, Him being God and all.

[MorningGlory]

Macroevolution is microevolution, just over a longer time period.

That's one theory....

Yup, the best one.

the best one for those who have an agenda to push, sure.

Haha, I wouldn't be talking about agendas. Its the only thing Creationists have.

Poor Christopher....do you not realize we have the Creator of the Universe and everything in it? He doesn't care about man's little agendas and papers, I'm sure. You know, Him being God and all.

He doesn't care about man period. Why would he? An all powerful all seeing god would not care in the least about our petty affairs. If he doesn't care about agendas and papers, he doesn't care about whether some guy looks at his neighbor lustfully, or the time spent on a computer looking at porn, or what two adults do behind closed doors. Its MAN that makes the rules about what their god wants, not the other way around. Which is why Creationists have an agenda that suits their own political or self-righteous need.

Do you even know what 'Creationist' means? It's not a political agenda and believing the Bible is hardly self-righteous. You must spend a lot of time reading the Atheist Manifesto. I think I read this same stuff on About.com/Atheist.

[Guest shiloh357]

QUOTE (CSLewis @ Oct 28 2009, 07:43 PM)

This is figurative language which is the antonym of literal language. A literal interpretation would lead

one to believe a seven headed dragon is floating around in space but a figurative interpretation of this as a symbol makes sense because symbols are frequently used in apocalyptic literature.

No, you are mistaken. A LITERAL interpretation recognizes the symbolic nature and seeks the literal meaning behind the figure. The FACE VALUE approach assumes their to be actual seven-headed dragon.

Again, you are not really skilled in the area of literary analysis.

[OneLight]

You don't know squat about Darwinism.

You don't know squat about God, yet you feel you have the right to come here and teach against Him. Hypocrisy at it's best.

[MorningGlory]

You don't know squat about Darwinism.

You don't know squat about God, yet you feel you have the right to come here and teach against Him. Hypocrisy at it's best.

I'm not teaching against anybody. There's lots of room for a god in our universe, just not your specific one.

Well, He's the only one so...get ready to meet Him face to face, whether you like Him or not. I pray you come to the Truth and repent before that day comes though.

[MorningGlory]

He doesn't care about man period. Why would he? An all powerful all seeing god would not care in the least about our petty affairs. If he doesn't care about agendas and papers, he doesn't care about whether some guy looks at his neighbor lustfully, or the time spent on a computer looking at porn, or what two adults do behind closed doors. Its MAN that makes the rules about what their god wants, not the other way around. Which is why Creationists have an agenda that suits their own political or self-righteous need.

It's a weird thing to think about an all powerful God caring at all about finite and transient human beings who don't particularly care about Him, much less that God actively involves Himself in the affairs of people. That being said, neither God nor the universe is obligated to behave as our notions of what is proper dictate and I'm sure you can agree that, in the case of the latter, we are being continually surprised (Note: YEC's, this is NOT the place for you to jump in about evolution).

I agree that human beings have an insatiable desire to create overly-complex social structures and people in the last few thousand years have figured out that the quickest way to push your own social structure is to attach it to divine authority which has, by and large, led to some truly terrible results.

I think a lot of the blow back you're getting here are emotional reactions of individuals who aren't used to having the validity of their beliefs questioned or tossed aside. After all, Christians are just people. . .as someone I know put it "we're all just beggars pointing other beggars towards a feast". Fortunately for us God does care about people, which makes the previous comment that Creationists some how "have" God and atheists don't kind of insane.

What do you mean 'Creationists'? Is that all you think about? The followers of Christ have God and atheists definitely do not. That why there's a 'a' before 'theist'...it means absence of, or without. Have you ever read the Bible, Lurker? You profess to be a believer but your every action and word says otherwise.

[OneLight]

You don't know squat about Darwinism.

You don't know squat about God, yet you feel you have the right to come here and teach against Him. Hypocrisy at it's best.

I'm not teaching against anybody. There's lots of room for a god in our universe, just not your specific one.

Yes, you are ... do I need to bring your past posts up, or are you big enough to admit that you have an agenda?

Your words prove that you have no idea what you are talking about when you talk about God. There is only one God, whether or not you agree. You want to silence God by claiming He is not allowed, but all other false gods are. As I said, "Hypocrisy at it's best."

[Guest shiloh357]

You don't know squat about Darwinism.

You don't know squat about God, yet you feel you have the right to come here and teach against Him. Hypocrisy at it's best.

I'm not teaching against anybody. There's lots of room for a god in our universe, just not your specific one.

Yes, you are ... do I need to bring your past posts up, or are you big enough to admit that you have an agenda?

Your words prove that you have no idea what you are talking about when you talk about God. There is only one God, whether or not you agree. You want to silence God by claiming He is not allowed, but all other false gods are. As I said, "Hypocrisy at it's best."

No, just your god. The one who cares about human affairs and what adults do behind closed doors and what not. If there is a god, he sure as heck doesn't care if two guys or two girls have their fun. A friend of mine believes in god, but not the typical Judeo-Christian god. She thinks everything good in the world can be called "God" and that's fine. She's also one of the nicest people I've ever met and there's no way she would ever go to hell. I think laying off fundamentalism and claiming to have a right to tell people how to live their lives would make a lot of people happy.

Is that a fact??? So if someone gets the notion to come to your house and beat you to death with a lead pipe and take all of your stuff, you'll be okay with that since they are just living their life the way they see fit and no one has the right to tell them how to live????