Dome of the Rock: anti-Christian

[stevehut]

The Arabs are not descendants of Abraham therefore they are not descended from Ishmael.

Genesis 21:11-13

The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son. But God said to him, "Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring."

Certainly we can all agree that God keeps his promises...yes?

Then who is this nation?

[Guest shiloh357]

The Arabs are not descendants of Abraham therefore they are not descended from Ishmael.

Genesis 21:11-13

The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son. But God said to him, "Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring."

Certainly we can all agree that God keeps his promises...yes?

Then who is this nation?

The Ishmaelites no longer exist.

Are The Arabs Descended From Ishmael?

[stevehut]

The Ishmaelites no longer exist.

What was their nation? When did it end?

[nebula]

Genesis 37:28

Then Midianite traders passed by; so the brothers pulled Joseph up and lifted him out of the pit, and sold him to the Ishmaelites for twenty shekels of silver. And they took Joseph to Egypt.

Looks like the Ishmaelites were the Midians. So, figure what happened to the Midians, and there you go.

[Guest shiloh357]

Here is another link. It is rather lengthy article.

What happened to the Ishmaelites?

[Guest LCPGUY]

Question?

Will the 3rd Temple replace it, or be built alongside it?

Bro John

[amor]

Now it seems like you are defending the name of "Allah" being interchanged for the God of the Christian Bible.

Short article from the Jewish encyclopedia poiinting out that Allah or as they transliterate it -Ilah- is the Arabic equivalent of the (closely related) Aramaic elah and the Hebrew (and biblical name for God) Elohim. It also points out that all three probably have there roots in a term from Old Arabic

Jewish Encyclopedia

I am also adding a little graph thingy on the names of God used in the Old Testament. This points out that the Aramaic Elah (refered to above) is used to refer to God in the book of Daniel. If Elah is acceptable in the book of Daniel, I feel that Arab Christians will have few problems if they continue to pray to Allah. I woder if the same can be said of those who still insist on castigating them

Edited July 31, 2004 by amor

[Guest shadow2b]

-QUOTE (shiloh357 @ Jul 26 2004, 06:53 AM)

The "religion" is built upon hatred not just of your religion but of YOU personally. 

Yup.  That's why I said someone has to go over and convert these people. That is the only answer.

-WeLLLLL, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP---ARE YOU VOLUNTEERING FER THE JOB??- United has two flights a day-- 9:30AM---6:45PM--

[Guest shiloh357]

Now it seems like you are defending the name of "Allah" being interchanged for the God of the Christian Bible.

Short article from the Jewish encyclopedia poiinting out that Allah or as they transliterate it -Ilah- is the Arabic equivalent of the (closely related) Aramaic elah and the Hebrew (and biblical name for God) Elohim. It also points out that all three probably have there roots in a term from Old Arabic

Jewish Encyclopedia

I am also adding a little graph thingy on the names of God used in the Old Testament. This points out that the Aramaic Elah (refered to above) is used to refer to God in the book of Daniel. If Elah is acceptable in the book of Daniel, I feel that Arab Christians will have few problems if they continue to pray to Allah. I woder if the same can be said of those who still insist on castigating them

Nebula raised a very good question that I will repost here.

Maybe - but do Arab Christians believe that the "Allah" they worship is the same "Allah" the Muslims worship?

That is the crux of the issue.

[Guest shiloh357]

The same divine name is found in Arabic (ilah) and in Aramaic (elah). The singular is used in six places for heathen deities (II Chron. xxxii. 15; Dan. xi. 37, 38; etc.); and the plural also, a few times, either for gods or images (Ex. ix. 1, xii. 12, xx. 3; etc.) or for one god (Ex. xxxii. 1; Gen. xxxi. 30, 32; etc.). In the great majority of cases both are used as names of the one God of Israel.

The root-meaning of the word is unknown. The most probable theory is that it may be connected with the old Arabic verb "alih" (to be perplexed, afraid; to seek refuge because of fear).

Amor, this does not support your position. The Jewish Encyclopedia is not trying to draw any connection between the "Allah" of modern Islam, with how ancient Arabs spoke. It is not saying that "Allah" is the same as Elohim.

Arabic ,Aramaic and Hebrew are cognitive languages, and there are some similarities there. Take the words Salaam and Shalom. They do not have the same meanings but they are in a limited sense "connected."

The ancient Arabs were still pagans. Upon adopting Islam, they traded one form of paganism for another.