The stickiest wicket of 'em all

[BlindSeeker]

The problem with misunderstanding this text arises from the failure to rightly discern what is being said and the correlating evil and wickedness together as the same thing.

Wickedness is something that has by nature attributes that are contrary to God and His holiness. Yet we no the God is pure in every aspect -

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights,

with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Evil is a course of action which is contrary to God's preferred will.

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Yet God's holiness and righteous judgments demands that sin and wickedness be dealt with accordingly -

Jer 26:2 Thus saith the LORD; Stand in the court of the LORD'S house, and speak unto all the cities of Judah, which come to worship in the LORD'S house, all the words that I command thee to speak unto them; diminish not a word:

3 If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way,

that I may repent Me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings

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4 And thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD; If ye will not hearken to me, to walk in my law, which I have set before you,

5 To hearken to the words of my servants the prophets, whom I sent unto you, both rising up early, and sending them, but ye have not hearkened;

6 Then will I make this house like Shiloh, and will make this city a curse to all the nations of the earth.

Certainly God is not saying He is about to do wickedness to Israel, rather if they do not turn from the evil ways contrary to His righteousness He is going to judge them accordingly.

We see the principle as well in Jonah -

Jon 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.

7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:

8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.

9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from His fierce anger, that we perish not?

2 10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that He would do unto them; and He did it not.

Again, this evil is merely a course of action that God's holiness and righteous judgment demands that God preferred was not necessary.

There is no wickedness with God.

[Isaiah 6:8]

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[Guest shiloh357]

Part of the problem here is with an overstatement of how God's sovereignty is represented in the Bible.

Sovereignty simply means that God is in control. In the Scriptures, God's sovereingnty is NEVER represented as meaning that every action or movement on Earth occurs because God willed it.

God's will has both a perfect and permissive side. God's perfect will commands us not to murder. Yet, God permits man to murder. God permits man the freedom to reject His commandment. God allows things to happen that He does not "Will" to happen.

Until the hyper-sovereignty nonsense is discarded, people will always be laying sin at God's doorstep and blaming him for every rape, molestation, war and any other act of oppression mankind can conceive of.

The hyper-sovereignty view pits God against His own commandments by claiming that God wills the very things He commands against. In effect, it misrepresents God as compromising His holiness.

[BlindSeeker]

Part of the problem here is with an overstatement of how God's sovereignty is represented in the Bible.

Sovereignty simply means that God is in control. In the Scriptures, God's sovereingnty is NEVER represented as meaning that every action or movement on Earth occurs because God willed it.

God's will has both a perfect and permissive side. God's perfect will commands us not to murder. Yet, God permits man to murder. God permits man the freedom to reject His commandment. God allows things to happen that He does not "Will" to happen.

Until the hyper-sovereignty nonsense is discarded, people will always be laying sin at God's doorstep and blaming him for every rape, molestation, war and any other act of oppression mankind can conceive of.

The hyper-sovereignty view pits God against His own commandments by claiming that God wills the very things He commands against. In effect, it misrepresents God as compromising His holiness.

Agreed. Well put Shiloh.

[BlindSeeker]

And this applies how to "free will?"

HIS will will be done in HEaven. Only HIS will. As it is in Heaven, so it is on Earth. Yes, we have a will. When there is no opposing side and no temptation to sin, it will be free to choose all it wants. Since the only choices will be to do good or to do good, for there will be no other person or entity to suggest another choice, indeed freewil will flourish. Because everybodies will will be GOD's will.

So, just as frewill exists here, as long as it lines up with GOD's will, so it will be in Heaven. The only time we have freewill is when the SON sets us free and then we are free indeed.

Actually, both the redeemed and the angelic host will clearly understand good and evil from a divinely enlightened positioned, a perfect understanding of it . . . not a fallen self-serving "knowledge of good and evil" as it pertained to one's self.

Therefore making the choice of good isn't the "only choice," it will be the naturally preferred choice.