Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

[Guest shiloh357]

My understanding is,

Claiming to be speaking by the Holy Spirit while knowing full well we are not, i.e deliberate intention to mislead while claiming it is the very words of the Holy Spirit.

Although Annias and Sapphira did not claim to be speaking by the Holy Spirit they did know the seriousness of lying to the church and the Holy Spirit was there in a very strong way in those early days since Pentecost.

Imo its not unpardonable to make mistakes and be wrong even when we genuinely thought we were right, it is unpardonable to deliberatley mislead others in Gods name.

That is not how it is explained in the Bible.

[wyguy]

If you decide to follow the footsteps of Judas...there is no hope and you will reap what you sow. Satan has been a liar from the beginning blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a very eternal consequence.

Denying Jesus Christ is not good but betraying Jesus Christ is a terrible, unforgivable, decision.

Here's my 2 cents:

I believe even Judas could have been forgiven if he had truly repented. Judas did not. He was sorry, and felt remorse, but he never asked God's forgiveness. And if you think about it, to deny Jesus is to betray Jesus - and Peter denied Jesus 3 times. What you are saying is if a Christian backslides and "goes into the enemy camp" by their actions, that they can never be saved. That is false. A Christian's salvation is totally based on the atoning work of Jesus - He began it and He will finish it. A believer is held in God's hand and "nothing in all creation" can separate us from God's love. If you are a created being, that includes you. The Bible says, time after time after time, that Jesus died for ALL sin. All = every single one. One could only be lost by refusing the gift of salvation available through Christ by grace.

[JCISGD]

My understanding is,

Claiming to be speaking by the Holy Spirit while knowing full well we are not, i.e deliberate intention to mislead while claiming it is the very words of the Holy Spirit.

Although Annias and Sapphira did not claim to be speaking by the Holy Spirit they did know the seriousness of lying to the church and the Holy Spirit was there in a very strong way in those early days since Pentecost.

Imo its not unpardonable to make mistakes and be wrong even when we genuinely thought we were right, it is unpardonable to deliberatley mislead others in Gods name.

That is not how it is explained in the Bible.

Yes its only my guesswork as ive never heard anyone explain it from scripture.

If you are willing to show me the scriptures i am willing to learn.

[Press Forward]

Here's my 2 cents:

I believe even Judas could have been forgiven if he had truly repented. Judas did not. He was sorry, and felt remorse, but he never asked God's forgiveness. And if you think about it, to deny Jesus is to betray Jesus - and Peter denied Jesus 3 times. What you are saying is if a Christian backslides and "goes into the enemy camp" by their actions, that they can never be saved. That is false. A Christian's salvation is totally based on the atoning work of Jesus - He began it and He will finish it. A believer is held in God's hand and "nothing in all creation" can separate us from God's love. If you are a created being, that includes you. The Bible says, time after time after time, that Jesus died for ALL sin. All = every single one. One could only be lost by refusing the gift of salvation available through Christ by grace.

Now we have truly repent...is there a sorta repent....a kinda repent. So since he said he was sorry and felt remorse but forgot to say forgive me...he is hell bound. The letters in red say woe to the man that betrays me. He is hellbound because he betrayed Jesus Christ no matter how many tears he may have shed. There is a big difference from denying Jesus Christ and betraying Jesus Christ. Repentence is getting rid of sin in your life because you love and fear Jesus Christ. Most of you believe his is a big game of tag and say the sinners prayer and your saved game. The Loyalty to Jesus Christ is a lot more serious and holier than that.

Everybody at one time in there life has denied Jesus Christ by their behavior, action, or attitude. But if you've gone to the enemy's camp and denounced him as Almighty God and turned to the enemy and glorified the enemy...your prayers are lost for eternity. That is y Jesus over and over warned and warned if after hearing this message of salvation and seeing the miracles...... you will perish if you don't believe I am who I say I am. Woe to mankind who glorify sin and betrayed him. The human mind cannot comprehend the pain and destruction that is coming on this earth because of sin and betraying Jesus Christ, King of King, Lord of Lords.

As far as being false. It is false to you because you don't want to hear it. Bible is very clear on the consequences of sin and betraying Jesus Christ. It is not up for debate it will delivered and fulfilled as promised. Once sin runs it's course. Judgement will begin in the house of Jesus and across the world. People will eat every defiled word they said about Jesus. Then he will cut them to pieces never having to listen to them again. But you can't say he wasn't merciful and full of grace. Debates will be over about the Holy Word of Jesus Christ.

[wyguy]

Now we have truly repent...is there a sorta repent....a kinda repent. So since he said he was sorry and felt remorse but forgot to say forgive me...he is hell bound.

Yep. Judas felt remorse, and felt sorry for himself, but he never asked to be forgiven. If he had thrown himself on God's mercy and asked to be forgiven, Judas would be in heaven today.

But if you've gone to the enemy's camp and denounced him as Almighty God and turned to the enemy and glorified the enemy...your prayers are lost for eternity.

Really? Saul (Paul) denounced Jesus as Almighty God, and went so far as to kill Christians who claimed Jesus was God. By your reasoning, Paul is now lost and in hell.

As far as being false. It is false to you because you don't want to hear it.

No. It's false because it's not biblical. God said, "Though your sins be scarlet, they shall be white as snow. " Meaning, no matter how awful the sin, Jesus is ready and willing to forgive it.

[Press Forward]

Really? Saul (Paul) denounced Jesus as Almighty God, and went so far as to kill Christians who claimed Jesus was God. By your reasoning, Paul is now lost and in hell.

Acts 9:4 NIV

[wyguy]

Acts 9:4 NIV

[Press Forward]

Where, in ALL of Scipture does it EVER teach that if one cries out to God for mercy in prayer that those prayers won't help them? What you are saying is, if anyone backslides and gets sucked into a cult or false religion, and then repents and turns back to Jesus, He will not hear them or forgive them. Please give even ONE example from Scripture where it shows that the prayers of such a person like that will not be heard and God won't forgive.

Hebrews 6

4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, becauseto their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Its called betrayal. Jesus Christ desires loyalty. People who make bad decisions will not see the kingdom of Heaven. Betraying Jesus is a bad decision. That is y some people never have peace of mind even though they call themselves christians. They didn't take their salvation with fear and trembling. They assumed because of all the false prophets it was something they were entitled too and that their behavior, attitude, and actions didn't matter.

[wyguy]

Hebrews 6

4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, becauseto their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

That is not talking about those that have been saved. That is speaking of people who have heard the message, had some conviction, and then reject Christ to the point their hearts are so hardened they will not ask for salvation.

Honestly, you need a good study Bible.

[Rick-Parker]

Where, in ALL of Scipture does it EVER teach that if one cries out to God for mercy in prayer that those prayers won't help them? What you are saying is, if anyone backslides and gets sucked into a cult or false religion, and then repents and turns back to Jesus, He will not hear them or forgive them. Please give even ONE example from Scripture where it shows that the prayers of such a person like that will not be heard and God won't forgive.

Hebrews 6

4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, becauseto their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Its called betrayal. Jesus Christ desires loyalty. People who make bad decisions will not see the kingdom of Heaven. Betraying Jesus is a bad decision. That is y some people never have peace of mind even though they call themselves christians. They didn't take their salvation with fear and trembling. They assumed because of all the false prophets it was something they were entitled too and that their behavior, attitude, and actions didn't matter.

You're talking about people who were never really saved in the first place. That is not betrayal of Christ, they betray themselves. And this topic is about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit which your example is clearly not the case.