Cain and Able

[Guest LadyC]

I would add...its complete conjecture to assume that Cain and Abel were the first children born to Adam and Eve.

Also the bible says that Adam was created...then a garden, then trees, then animals...then God allowed Adam to name all the animals...then God created Eve. So if God did all of that, then allowed Adam to name "all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field" ...then I can only imagine that we are not talking about a 24hr day.

which could spur a whole different topic about how many years the world has existed LOL. i remember throwing an idea out there at one point (that had actually been calculated mathmatically by some science geek) that everybody thought was kinda silly. but, LOL, we won't go there! not sure if i could find that page of calculations again anyway, and me trying to explain something like that would be like stirring muddy water!

[Guest LadyC]

wow, wyguy.... interesting! of course, that's still a lot of animals.

lansing... on the genetics thing.

on the genetic thing, how do we know that our genes are so different from Adams or even Noah? Is because they lived so much longer then we did? How do we draw such a conclusion?

i i'm not sure i can understand what you're asking. we know that adam's and eve's genes were perfect, incorrupt. there were no defective genes because God doesn't make anything inferior.

we know that their sin brought death and decay to the physical body.

we know that, for the most part, each generation's lifespan was shorter than the previous, with very few individual exceptions.

we know that genes mutate.

we know that genes are inherited.

we know that no person on earth today has perfect DNA with no genetic flaws.

does that answer what you're asking? i really am not sure what kind of answer you are looking for!

by the way, i'd like to change something i said... when i said we "must" assume, that's really not true. we don't "have" to assume that there were other children, but since we must NOT assume any of the others to be true, it is the most logical assumption that can be made. but the foolishness of God is wiser than the wisest man, so no matter how much logic we apply, it doesn't mean we're right. it's just one of those things we'll have to wait til we see Him face to face to find out the answer to. my best guess is that no other children's names or times of birth were relevant to the events that God wanted us to understand.

and as much as it pains me to admit, wow, axxman is 100% correct... we really shouldn't assume that cain and abel were the firstborn to adam and eve, either! they may or may not have been! but they were the only ones who were relevant enough to the events at hand to be discussed at such length.

[e lansing]

i i'm not sure i can understand what you're asking. we know that adam's and eve's genes were perfect, incorrupt. there were no defective genes because God doesn't make anything inferior.

Adam sind! Not perfect at all. Through his sin the human race is currupt. How do we know that Adams genes was superior? is it because he live longer? if so, t i thought that God said that mans life would be 120yrs.

by the way, i'd like to change something i said... when i said we "must" assume, that's really not true. we don't "have" to assume that there were other children, but since we must NOT assume any of the others to be true, it is the most logical assumption that can be made. but the foolishness of God is wiser than the wisest man, so no matter how much logic we apply, it doesn't mean we're right. it's just one of those things we'll have to wait til we see Him face to face to find out the answer to. my best guess is that no other children's names or times of birth were relevant to the events that God wanted us to understand.

right!

[Guest LadyC]

no, we know his genes were incorrupt (perfect, superior) because God created him. GOD created him. God CREATED him.

sin is not a gene.

had adam and eve not eaten that blasted apple, they'd have lived forever. well, maybe not, but their death would not have been because of illness.

[e lansing]

no, we know his genes were incorrupt (perfect, superior) because God created him. GOD created him. God CREATED him.

sin is not a gene.

had adam and eve not eaten that blasted apple, they'd have lived forever. well, maybe not, but their death would not have been because of illness.

Who said it was a blasted apple!

[Axxman]

Who said it was a blasted apple!

HA!!! Now that was funny!

BTW...LadyC...since we've now had our 1 agreement for January, we'll need to be careful until next month starts...lol.

[Guest LadyC]

nope, i think we've actually had 2 agreements this month. we're set til march!