Bad Weather Caused By Demons

[nebula]

Think "evil tyrant" in all the movies you've seen.

How many have a reputation for being nice to their people?

[Ovedya]

Well what I'm gathering so far is that Satan causes bad weather, natural calamities, etc. to carry out God's judgment upon the wicked, and that God protects His chosen from bad weather. So the answer would be that God causes good weather and Satan, and demons cause bad weather.

Who are we to determine the without own understanding what causes what?

It is clear in Scripture that the Lord does give good weather and bad weather.

When I read Job, the Lord giving Satan permission to bring disaster against Job indicates to me that Satan was able to cause the bad weather that afflicted Job (argue with God's permission all you want, the question is whether the wind was from God, from Satan, or a natural disaster. The text to me indicates it was not the first nor the last, thus from Satan).

And Jesus did mention in the parable about the unforgiving servant about him being handed over to the tormentors. Many understand that unforgiveness is the cause of many ailments people have (no that is not sayin all ailments are unforgiveness based - just to show that it can and does happen).

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Really, if Satan has the correct knowledge of weather patterns and such, it wouldn't be hard for him to nudge the weather.

I am not arguing that God not at any time step into and change the natural cycles which He has placed into motion. That He does I think is clear from Scripture. But to argue that Satan or demons are the sole cause of natural calamity is, I think, ridiculous. The majority of all calamities happen in places on the earth where human beings do not reside.

I prefer the more balanced view that God has set into motion all the natural cycles - the weather, the ecology, life, etc. and allows them to continue their natural course to sustain life on the planet until, at any time, He decides to utilize or interrupt these cycles for the sake of His economy.

I couldn't be that weather is completely innocuous and merely controlled by atmospheric conditions of the earth....

And that could be considered a humanistic/naturalistic view of the world too, you know.

And really, weather is so fickle that a simple sneeze in the right conditions can change the weather pattern (I'm serious! It may not be in your local area nor the day of the sneeze, but it can and does happen.)

And what of your ascription to chaos theory?

[nebula]

I think it's important to note from the verses that they do not implicitly state that these were weather events. The wind could have been anything. What about the "fire from God"? Is this not attributed to God in the language?

Since when was "wind" not a weather event?

[Ovedya]

I think it's important to note from the verses that they do not implicitly state that these were weather events. The wind could have been anything. What about the "fire from God"? Is this not attributed to God in the language?

Since when was "wind" not a weather event?

When I turn on the fan it's not.

[nebula]

I am not arguing that God not at any time step into and change the natural cycles which He has placed into motion. That He does I think is clear from Scripture. But to argue that Satan or demons are the sole cause of natural calamity is, I think, ridiculous.

I wasn't able to read this entire thread - sorry. But did anyone actually calim that Satan or demons were the "sole cause" of natural calamity? I didn't get that impression from the OP.

I prefer the more balanced view that God has set into motion all the natural cycles - the weather, the ecology, life, etc. and allows them to continue their natural course to sustain life on the planet until, at any time, He decides to utilize or interrupt these cycles for the sake of His economy.

Perhaps, but I thought the question was over whether or not Satan/demons could cause bad weather (or natural disasters).

And what of your ascription to chaos theory?

I'm not following your train of thought. But if a difference of .0001 could alter the weather pattern, all one has to do to change the weather from its current course is to imput a .0001 difference. If one has the ability to calculate out what difference would make what change in what place and what time, could not that one create a "strong wind" when and where they wanted it? Yes it's very sophisticated, but we are talkinga bout an ancient spiritual being here.

[nebula]

I think it's important to note from the verses that they do not implicitly state that these were weather events. The wind could have been anything. What about the "fire from God"? Is this not attributed to God in the language?

Since when was "wind" not a weather event?

When I turn on the fan it's not.

So Satan had a big fan out there to blow Job's house down?

[Ovedya]

I think it's important to note from the verses that they do not implicitly state that these were weather events. The wind could have been anything. What about the "fire from God"? Is this not attributed to God in the language?

Since when was "wind" not a weather event?

When I turn on the fan it's not.

So Satan had a big fan out there to blow Job's house down?

No, of course not. I was just being persnickety. The Hebrew word has many meanings, it does not have to mean "wind." For example, it could also be translated "spirit."

[J Dee]

Why would God and the devil play "huff and puff".

That's more human like.

The Kingdom of God are "INSIDE" man, all that happens on the outside (natural world) are to be handled and learn from. We touch the outside world with hands coming from the INSIDE Kingdom.

We confuse one another enough to start a fight - no wonder the non-believers and athiests are laughing in our faces.

WE ARE A JOKE IN THIS WORLD

[jsca777]

Even if satan did have the power, why on earth would he cause a natural disaster upon people practicing witchcraft. Satan loves witchcraft...why destroy it?

When people practice witchcraft and indulge in the occult, they make a pact with the devil. Satan wanted them to die without knowing Jesus.

[Openly Curious]

Jesus did "calm" the sea