Jews race or religion?

[e lansing]

yod, another reason i ask these questions is that i wonder if were are all just muts and there is no true race, based on what others have said on this post, how did the jewish get there idenity? was it from a birth thing or a religeous thing? If it was a birth thing then are we Jewish if we are all just muts? i know we are not all Jewish and that God has set them apart in the old testement. Just still trying to make since of creation in terms of Adam and Eve and all that.

[nebula]

How did all the different races come about? [Jewish, German, Mexican/Latin, Indian, Asian, African, Arabic,Native Indian ect]

The definition speaks for itself, I believe:

race2  /reɪs/

[mizzdy]

Judah is the tribe the Jews are from, just as Paul said he was of the tribe of Benjamin

c'mon now mizzdy...don't start that. my dear sister. We advanced beyond the Babylonian captivity at least 600 BC

Paul also said he was an Israelite in that same verse you are referencing. Please don't post that 2-House error here.

Jacob refers to all 12 tribes.....Jews are from all 12 tribes....and Israelites are from all 12 tribes.

Gentiles are The Nations mentioned in Isaiah 60:1

Not posting anything of the sort, is it not true that Judah is a tribe? Are the Jews today just Judah? I would think not, no one knows who or what tribe, if any, they are from. Not everyone as you are aware knows where Judah, Jews came from nor who Israel is, my attempt was to show where it started. I understand who Israel is I also understand who the Jews are but the OP was asking who or what Jews are, the topic of who Israel is and all things related are popping up everywhere these days so it does seem many are still confused. Gentiles were also apart of the peoples that came out of Egypt. I so get weary of the constant separation people put over Gods children. Paul did say that so I guess I should have posted that also to make it all perfectly clear that there is no separation in the body of Yeshua. I may have posted things not up to standard or maybe I could have better clarified what I was trying to convey, I do give it my best shot anyhow.

Mizz

I do tend to be sensitive and testy about that.

I apologize for jumping to that conclusion so quickly. forgive me?

Apology accept brother, I understand the knee jerk reaction to some topics, I have done it myself. No worries at all.

[nebula]

yod, another reason i ask these questions is that i wonder if were are all just muts and there is no true race, based on what others have said on this post, how did the jewish get there idenity? was it from a birth thing or a religeous thing? If it was a birth thing then are we Jewish if we are all just muts? i know we are not all Jewish and that God has set them apart in the old testement. Just still trying to make since of creation in terms of Adam and Eve and all that.

I'm not yod, but I would like to take a stab at your questions.

At the bottom line, we are all a part of the human race.

But the human race is divided into sub-races, you could say. For instance, at the macro-level by our skin tone. At a more specialized level by certain physical features (i.e. red hair and freckels are more asociated with the Irish-Celts than anyone else, some races have distinct profiles, etc.).

From Adam and Eve - or from Noah and his sons, since the others were washed away - people eventually spread across the world.

The tribes that migrated to Africa began developing darker skin to adapt to the more intense sun while those who went to the farther northern climates lost most of the dark pigment due to less intense sunlight and more clouds (melanin acts as a natural sunblock, but it also inhibits Vitamin D production, thus it would be detrimental to the northern climates to have darker skin). As I menitoned before, isolated groups had isolated genes and thus over time the people began sharing similar traits - thus certain races can be identified by their distinct skull shapes.

As for the Jews - they were originally known as Israelites - decendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jacob's 12 sons became the 12 tribes. Since Abraham and Sarah came from the Chaldean region, one can assume they belonged to that race of people originally. Over time, however, the Israelites became their own sub-race . . . Mid-Eastern, but with distinctions. Even now we can see certain features that stand out as "Jewish."

[e lansing]

yod, another reason i ask these questions is that i wonder if were are all just muts and there is no true race, based on what others have said on this post, how did the jewish get there idenity? was it from a birth thing or a religeous thing? If it was a birth thing then are we Jewish if we are all just muts? i know we are not all Jewish and that God has set them apart in the old testement. Just still trying to make since of creation in terms of Adam and Eve and all that.

I'm not yod, but I would like to take a stab at your questions.

At the bottom line, we are all a part of the human race.

But the human race is divided into sub-races, you could say. For instance, at the macro-level by our skin tone. At a more specialized level by certain physical features (i.e. red hair and freckels are more asociated with the Irish-Celts than anyone else, some races have distinct profiles, etc.).

From Adam and Eve - or from Noah and his sons, since the others were washed away - people eventually spread across the world.

The tribes that migrated to Africa began developing darker skin to adapt to the more intense sun while those who went to the farther northern climates lost most of the dark pigment due to less intense sunlight and more clouds (melanin acts as a natural sunblock, but it also inhibits Vitamin D production, thus it would be detrimental to the northern climates to have darker skin). As I menitoned before, isolated groups had isolated genes and thus over time the people began sharing similar traits - thus certain races can be identified by their distinct skull shapes.

As for the Jews - they were originally known as Israelites - decendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jacob's 12 sons became the 12 tribes. Since Abraham and Sarah came from the Chaldean region, one can assume they belonged to that race of people originally. Over time, however, the Israelites became their own sub-race . . . Mid-Eastern, but with distinctions. Even now we can see certain features that stand out as "Jewish."

makes since, how do we prove and know this for sure, do we this still happening where human features are greatly effected by their enviroment? i mean, if a black family from Africa move to anartica would they turn white over a hundered years? It almost seems that evolution to cartain degree would be in effect if this were true. I do not believe in macro evolution. Look at the shapes of eyes, color of eyes, skin, hair, ect and to think that Adam and Eve had all these genes, and its even harder to believe that Noah and his sons and there wives carried all these types of genes to produce all the different features of humanity. How long would this take for these changes to happen to people to get round eyes to not round eyes at all?

[nebula]

makes since, how do we prove and know this for sure, do we this still happening where human features are greatly effected by their enviroment?

I don't know about humans, but such changes have been observed in the animal world.

The first example I heard of was some rabbits released onto an island. About 200 years later, the rabbits were very different from the mainland rabbits from which they came.

I don't know how many generations that was, though.

i mean, if a black family from Africa move to anartica would they turn white over a hundered years? It almost seems that evolution to cartain degree would be in effect if this were true.

What we call microevolution does occur.

I don't know how long it would take African descendants to lose their skin pigment though.

I do not believe in macro evolution.

I don't either.

Look at the shapes of eyes, color of eyes, skin, hair, ect and to think that Adam and Eve had all these genes, and its even harder to believe that Noah and his sons and there wives carried all these types of genes to produce all the different features of humanity. How long would this take for these changes to happen to people to get round eyes to not round eyes at all?

I have no idea.

[e lansing]

makes since, how do we prove and know this for sure, do we this still happening where human features are greatly effected by their enviroment?

I don't know about humans, but such changes have been observed in the animal world.

The first example I heard of was some rabbits released onto an island. About 200 years later, the rabbits were very different from the mainland rabbits from which they came.

I don't know how many generations that was, though.

i mean, if a black family from Africa move to anartica would they turn white over a hundered years? It almost seems that evolution to cartain degree would be in effect if this were true.

What we call microevolution does occur.

I don't know how long it would take African descendants to lose their skin pigment though.

I do not believe in macro evolution.

I don't either.

Look at the shapes of eyes, color of eyes, skin, hair, ect and to think that Adam and Eve had all these genes, and its even harder to believe that Noah and his sons and there wives carried all these types of genes to produce all the different features of humanity. How long would this take for these changes to happen to people to get round eyes to not round eyes at all?

I have no idea.

thanks for your honesty and your good answers! I know that as a man of God i can not go out side of scripture and therefore it will come down to interpitation of scripture. If there were other people or not, at the end of the day it really does not matter! Jesus is Lord and He is coming back very soon! Aman!