What position do you hold

[e lansing]

pre

Why? have you ever consider the other postions?

i was once a believer of none but after studying a bit i concluded pre.

what line of scripture makes you think mid or post?

Basicly the outline Jesus provided in Matthew 24. I think that the rapture would be such a big event i wonder why Jesus did not even hint about it in that passage. And the fact that others were not able to escape death for there faith in Jesus back then and even today. Some believe that the rapture could happen any time, i am not so sure, i do believe that a rapture will happen at some point, therefore i am open to all positions because regardless of when i will remain faithful to the end! my concern is that some Christians are not open to all three positions and could set themselves up for a big let down and turn from christ out of fear, anger, and lack of faith. It you are a believer you will go with Him regardless of when.

[nebula]

What people seem to miss is that the End Times is not about us.

Revelation is about Jesus (it says so in the opening of the book ).

"Not about us", speaking of Christians, right. are we Christians Body of Christ or bride of Christ?

I'm not following your train of thought at all.

Rev. 1:1 - The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place

It's all about Jesus Himself. Unless you are somehow saying that we are Jesus.

[e lansing]

What people seem to miss is that the End Times is not about us.

Revelation is about Jesus (it says so in the opening of the book ).

"Not about us", speaking of Christians, right. are we Christians Body of Christ or bride of Christ?

I'm not following your train of thought at all.

Rev. 1:1 - The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place

It's all about Jesus Himself. Unless you are somehow saying that we are Jesus.

Sorry for the confusion by adding that last question. Heres what i ask, who are the people in Rev 7:14,15 if Rev has nothiing to do with us?

[nebula]

E lansing -

I am still not following your train of thought.

It's like this worship song:

It's all about You, Jesus

And all this is for You

For Your glory and your fame

It's not about me

As if You should do things my way

You alone are God

And I surrender to your ways

[OneLight]

Not to take a stance one way or another, I ask what people think of verse 15? Is this the same as when He comes and we are "caught up" (1 Thessalonians 4:17)? If not, who are these people if they are not part of His body?

Revelation 16:13-16 (New King James Version)

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[a] of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

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[e lansing]

E lansing -

I am still not following your train of thought.

It's like this worship song:

It's all about You, Jesus

And all this is for You

For Your glory and your fame

It's not about me

As if You should do things my way

You alone are God

And I surrender to your ways

ok, you said in refference to bride maids, that this has nothing to do with rapture and then you said that Rev has nothing to do with us. I thought you meant christians when you said us so i ask about Rev 7:14,14.

[exrockstar]

Basicly the outline Jesus provided in Matthew 24. I think that the rapture would be such a big event i wonder why Jesus did not even hint about it in that passage. And the fact that others were not able to escape death for there faith in Jesus back then and even today. Some believe that the rapture could happen any time, i am not so sure, i do believe that a rapture will happen at some point, therefore i am open to all positions because regardless of when i will remain faithful to the end! my concern is that some Christians are not open to all three positions and could set themselves up for a big let down and turn from christ out of fear, anger, and lack of faith. It you are a believer you will go with Him regardless of when.

asking respectfully, but do you accept the concept of the "marriage between Christ and the Church?"

[OneLight]

Sorry for the confusion by adding that last question. Heres what i ask, who are the people in Rev 7:14,15 if Rev has nothiing to do with us?

Revelation 7:13-14 (New King James Version)

13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me,

[nebula]

ok, you said in refference to bride maids, that this has nothing to do with rapture and then you said that Rev has nothing to do with us. I thought you meant christians when you said us so i ask about Rev 7:14,14.

First of all, it's the parable of the 10 virgins - they didn't have bridesmaids back then.

Second, I didn't say "Rev. has nothing to do with us." I said it is not about us. Do you understand the difference?

[e lansing]

Not to take a stance one way or another, I ask what people think of verse 15? Is this the same as when He comes and we are "caught up" (1 Thessalonians 4:17)? If not, who are these people if they are not part of His body?

Revelation 16:13-16 (New King James Version)

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[a] of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

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