Is this a oxymoron?

[e lansing]

Jesus is the answer to the sin problem, however, what do mean "address sin by laws and regulations"

too many Christians want to make people "act" better by passing laws and regulations instead of getting to the heart of the problem and changing the hearts of the individuals.

This is an easy way out, pass laws and then you dont have to face the sinner and tell them about Jesus.

Some laws are wise! Some are not. Regardless, they do more good then evil. I still see no need to suppoet abortion at any level. Abortions reflect the lack of fear of God in our society and people who support people who have the power to make laws for abortions show there lack of fear of God as well. WHen i say fear i mean honor and respect for God and life. So it looks like that you are assuming that i support laws against abortion because i chose not to reach people for Christ? I witness to people every week in the streets, at church! I write tracks, preach the word, feed the hungry, give winter coats away, give school supplies to youth, support missions, make disciples, and have reach over 40 people for the Lord since 1/1/10. I am sure you are doing a lot more and prasie God for that but you should never assume anything about people you do not know!

[jsca777]

People who call them selves Christians voting for candidates who are pro choice? I do not get it! Its been a long standing battle between me and close relitives. They feel that you should vote for Democrat regardless of Pro choice or life. They say "there for the people" I have to laugh to keep my cool. They still blame Bush for the mess we are in today! I understand those who are not born again, not thats it right in my opinion either way to support abortion, but they do not believe in Jesus either. Can this be resolved?

People don't understand what's really going on in government, and they don't understand the hidden agenda that government has. Regardless of whether the democrats and republicans are elected, they will all allow abortion. People blame the puppets(the elected politicans) rather than the real source of the problem.

Care to share what the real problem is?

I am refering to the Illuminati and new world order agenda, but I won't elaborate here because I have been told before that I am not allowed to post that on here.

[jsca777]

The only way to solve the abortion problem is the deal with the root issues. Why are people getting themselves into that mess in the first place? You can hack away at the branches of the problem, but it's only when you get to the root, that it does any good. I see many christians protest abortion, but it does no good. They spend hours standing with protest sign when it doesn't change a thing. Even if abortion became illegal, it wouldn't stop abortions from taking place. It would just be done underground.

[e lansing]

The only way to solve the abortion problem is the deal with the root issues. Why are people getting themselves into that mess in the first place? You can hack away at the branches of the problem, but it's only when you get to the root, that it does any good. I see many christians protest abortion, but it does no good. They spend hours standing with protest sign when it doesn't change a thing. Even if abortion became illegal, it wouldn't stop abortions from taking place. It would just be done underground.

Right! I just feel that it is wrong to support those who are in power, who have no regard for life! It's a matter of principle!

[MorningGlory]

Even if abortion became illegal, it wouldn't stop abortions from taking place. It would just be done underground.

ya know, when people say this, it drives me crazy! theft is against the law and is basically "done underground." why do we have laws against it since it doesn't stop it? same with tax evasion. or assault. or murder (of someone already born, anyway) we have laws against them so that less people participate in these activities--not because anyone believes it will totally stop the crime from taking place. why does abortion seem to be different?

yes, abortion is not the heart of the matter. but saying abortions would still take place even if illegal is just senseless. it would make them happen less often and therefore would save lives. do not those lives count for anything?

I agree; if Roe v Wade was overturned, abortions would decrease tremendously. But....I don't see ANY politicians pushing for this whether Democrat, Republican, Independent, Libertarian, Green Party, Communist Party...no one!

[e lansing]

People who call them selves Christians voting for candidates who are pro choice? I do not get it! Its been a long standing battle between me and close relitives. They feel that you should vote for Democrat regardless of Pro choice or life. They say "there for the people" I have to laugh to keep my cool. They still blame Bush for the mess we are in today! I understand those who are not born again, not thats it right in my opinion either way to support abortion, but they do not believe in Jesus either. Can this be resolved?

People don't understand what's really going on in government, and they don't understand the hidden agenda that government has. Regardless of whether the democrats and republicans are elected, they will all allow abortion. People blame the puppets(the elected politicans) rather than the real source of the problem.

Care to share what the real problem is?

I am refering to the Illuminati and new world order agenda, but I won't elaborate here because I have been told before that I am not allowed to post that on here.

Even if there were these seret societies and they had power over our country, it would be obvious we are defenceless against them. God is still in control regardless!

[e lansing]

Even if abortion became illegal, it wouldn't stop abortions from taking place. It would just be done underground.

ya know, when people say this, it drives me crazy! theft is against the law and is basically "done underground." why do we have laws against it since it doesn't stop it? same with tax evasion. or assault. or murder (of someone already born, anyway) we have laws against them so that less people participate in these activities--not because anyone believes it will totally stop the crime from taking place. why does abortion seem to be different?

yes, abortion is not the heart of the matter. but saying abortions would still take place even if illegal is just senseless. it would make them happen less often and therefore would save lives. do not those lives count for anything?

Amen!

[tjhawks1]

Even if abortion became illegal, it wouldn't stop abortions from taking place. It would just be done underground.

ya know, when people say this, it drives me crazy! theft is against the law and is basically "done underground." why do we have laws against it since it doesn't stop it? same with tax evasion. or assault. or murder (of someone already born, anyway) we have laws against them so that less people participate in these activities--not because anyone believes it will totally stop the crime from taking place. why does abortion seem to be different?

yes, abortion is not the heart of the matter. but saying abortions would still take place even if illegal is just senseless. it would make them happen less often and therefore would save lives. do not those lives count for anything?

Me too. Some people are playing devil's advocate on this thread. I suggest reading the old testament law. There are consequences for sin. Part of those consequences are for civil order and running a successful society or government. Honestly do some of you think that if I murder someone I should not spend time in jail, just because that's not the root of my problem. If this happened to someone in your family, would you be advocating no jail time. I honestly don't think so. We are talking about murder here. Aren't we as Christians suppose to hate sin. Some don't sound like they hate sin to much on this thread.

[e lansing]

Even if abortion became illegal, it wouldn't stop abortions from taking place. It would just be done underground.

ya know, when people say this, it drives me crazy! theft is against the law and is basically "done underground." why do we have laws against it since it doesn't stop it? same with tax evasion. or assault. or murder (of someone already born, anyway) we have laws against them so that less people participate in these activities--not because anyone believes it will totally stop the crime from taking place. why does abortion seem to be different?

yes, abortion is not the heart of the matter. but saying abortions would still take place even if illegal is just senseless. it would make them happen less often and therefore would save lives. do not those lives count for anything?

Me too. Some people are playing devil's advocate on this thread. I suggest reading the old testament law. There are consequences for sin. Part of those consequences are for civil order and running a successful society or government. Honestly do some of you think that if I murder someone I should not spend time in jail, just because that's not the root of my problem. If this happened to someone in your family, would you be advocating no jail time. I honestly don't think so. We are talking about murder here. Aren't we as Christians suppose to hate sin. Some don't sound like they hate sin to much on this thread.

Its stunning! to debate the abortion thing with Christians!

[Believer1997]

Laws making something illegal do not stop illegal things from happening - but Charitow is right - it would be absolute chaos without those laws. Abortion rates would drop with laws making them illegal - yeah, there would still be women getting them illegally but not at the wholesale slaughter rate they are occurring now. We do need to address the root issue - but we also need to stop making this practice acceptable and legal.