Is this a oxymoron?

[Believer1997]

I don't vote anymore, most of the time either a canidate is a Republican and pro choice or I don't agree with his stance on other issues.

You have a lot of Pro Choice Republicans in Ohio?? Not voting is not the answer though. Investigating the candidates and pointing out their erroneous beliefs is one way to force candidates to adopt platforms that are more in keeping with their constituency. If you don't want Pro-Choice and these people don't keep getting elected - then soon or later - they will adopt the necessary platform and seek to ban abortion if they realize that is what people want.

Is this so hard to get!

No offence intended brother, but am I quoting you right " Our Government will adopt a platform to do what we the people want?"

What planet are you from again?

I'm not your brother. What I'm trying to convey (apparently badly) is that candidates get up and say the same stuff all the time - Instead of sticking your head in the sand and not voting - Find out what they really stand for and if they are Pro-Choice and you aren't - expose that issue and how they stand on it. Talk to others who share your views. When enough Pro-Choice candidates are not elected because of their support of abortion.... they are going to rethink their platforms if the ones they are running on are not what voters (like you and other Pro-Life) voters want. I said eventually if more and more voters start demanding ProLife candidates you'll see more of our elected officials pushing the platform of ProLife and it will be because your (the voters) opinions are being represented.

Oh and I'm from a planet where I was taught to vote for people who represent your views and that you research who you vote for and then bug them until they fulfill their campaign promises. Where are you from again?

1st off my remark was addressed to elansing not you !! 2nd ,So I guess you're the sort of individual, that if both groups are running, and both are pro-choice you would vote for the lesser of the two evils right? That's your business, but I will not vote if I can't do it with a clear consicous and that again is my business. And as for us waiting on our government to do anything in our interest take my advise sister, and don't hold you breath.

my last point is; that our government is currently for no one but itself and that for what it is worth and a 1.50 will get you a cup of coffee.

Sorry I misunderstood who you were speaking to when you replied to my post - I did not notice elansing was there also. I have not voted for a Pro-Choice candidate. Period. Our government has done things that were in our interest, so I'll decline the 'advice' at the moment. I think not voting may be a good move for you if you are not comfortable.

[MorningGlory]

Whoa...slow down. I don't despise you, hate you or anything of the kind. I doubt if anyone on this forum does....we don't know you, now do we? I am, however, worried about the things you put forward. I've read extensively about the Illuminati/Freemason conspiracies including the supposed 'escapee' who is supposed to have brought the plans for the world into the daylight. I have to tell you that stuff just isn't Bibical. God has foretold the fate of the world as we know it in Revelation. That is what will happen, not the insane rantings of the people who make these claims. Where does the Bible tell us the world will belong to a shadow group of elites with Reptilian DNA? A Christian simply has to look up...not at these moronic websites run by half wits. As I said, I will pray for you to overcome your belief in this stuff. I know you believe in God....He is the one in control, not any of these alleged secret societies.

Yes God is in control, but He gave man a freewill. Do you have any understanding of the anti-Christ? The bible does talk about the anti-Christ and he will have his time to rule. God will allow him to rule for a season. He's got his people in strategic positions throughout the world. Just as God has His people, the Kingdom of God, Satan has his counterfeit kingdom. The occult is the counterfeit of the gospel, witchcraft is counterfeit spiritual power. Ever wonder why so many young people are getting into the occult and turning to witchcraft? Because it has been made to look prestigious and influential. Who do you think is behind all that? The god of this world, the prince and power of the air. How does the devil implement that? because he's got his people in positions of power that promote through occultism in subtle ways.

You mention how God has foretold what will happen as mentioned in Revelation. Until the very end, it isn't pretty is it? Things will get very bad. About the beast, the anti-Christ, the son of perdition, his main group is the Illuminati. I don't know where you get the term "reptilian DNA" because these are human beings who have flesh and blood like you and I. These people are evil and evil is on their agenda. They just do it very subtly cause they don't want people to know what is going on. Why else is there so much occult activity going on in the world today? occult activity is so rampant that even the names of planets, months, days have occult derived names.

Why do you think that the music industry is so bad? Why is it that it's hard to find a quality move at the theatre these days? Why is there so much evil in video games that kids play? Because the United satanic front has plotted that. They've plotted so that.... they can implement their heathen ways to society. Their main objuective is to turn society into a pagan society. Sadly, it's working. Yes God allows it as he has given us freewill, but we can't ignore what is going on.

About secret societies, I am a former member of one. I know first hand that it is full of idolatry and occultism. I didn't know years ago, when I was a member, for I was ignorant of the Word of God. Shortly after becoming a christian and learning the Word, I was able to see without anyone telling me, that this society was not of God and that they were full of idolatry.

What I am telling you you can either believe me or you can think I am out to lunch, but because I know what I know and expose it, I have a contract on my life. God has protected me from being killed. They don't just put a contract on you if what your saying is nonsense. They wouldn't spend time watching you if what your saying is a bunch of hogwash.

I don't think you're out to lunch but I don't believe that secret societies that have been plotting for centuries exist. Conspiracies of that magnitude just wouldn't work....too much time and too many people. The reptilian DNA thing is posted on some of the web sites along with a lot of other things...with no proof to back it up. We have to be discerning, we have to take God at His word. These conspiracy theories are not Bibical, they don't line up with Scripture at all. We know that, in the end, paganism and the occult will be rampant; we know that people will turn from the Lord, we know the A/C will rule for a time and, yes, things are going to get very bad. Satan doesn't need millions of people conspiring to take over however...he is going to do that in God's time just as Revelation foretells. He only wants to steal souls and to kill. IMO, if it's not part of God's word, it is false. I find nothing in the Bible that even remotely supports these things. Are you saying that, because you left a secret society, your life is in jeopardy? Why? It's all been written about publicly, every supposed secret has been exposed already. Wouldn't satan be able to prevent that? And, if he wanted you eliminated, wouldn't you already be gone?

[MorningGlory]

When it comes to abortion, what causes people to be in that predicament? Why do many kids go out and get pregnant? What's missing in their lives that they turn to sex(sex being a gratification of the flesh)? What can be done to educate these youth the consequences of premarital sex?

you have lots of questions, but i don't see any sort of plan listed among them.

also, the question of why abortion won't be banned wasn't answered, either.

I have already answered why abortion won't be banned. Government already has their own agends. When someone has already made up their minds, they are not going to change it because you don't like it. People have been crying for tax relief for years, but government still continues to tax people to keep them in financial bondage. Keeping people down financially is part of their agenda. Same thing with abortion or many other things that they allow. Anything that estroys the moral fabric of society, don't ecpect the wicked to come out and change it because christians or anyone else protests against it. Spiritual warfare is very real and the devil is operating full guns loaded against anything righteous.

About the questions, well I am asking it to get people to think for themselves.

in other words, you don't have any better ideas than anyone else about what to do about abortion. right?

You don't have any better ideas than to accuse me? That's pretty much all you've done when it comes to conversing with me. How much has the church really done to impact this world like the apostles did in the book of Acts? Since there is a lot lukewarmness and complacency in the church, and the church overall is not doing it's job, the world is "not' being reached with the truth. Sure they may have heard the gospel and preachers preach, but the church has not really shown them how to walk the walk. The church hasn't really shown them the abundant life that Jesus came to give people.

excuse me?? of what did i accuse you? if you see an accusation in what i said, or have said to you, it's coming from you, not me.

i just noticed you're from canada? (now may come an accusation) you have no part in this government, and therefore can do nothing with or about this government, and yet you believe you know what this government will and will not do? even beyond that, you critize people of this country for how and why they vote? i see that as pretty audacious. like armchair quarterbacking.

you said you speak your mind. well i certainly hope you would allow others to do the same.

And that's the key; allowing others the opportunity to rebut what one says and respecting their opinions. I'd say it's okay to point out things that are not Bibical but, when one insists THEIR ideas are the only ones that are valid and accuses others of making accusations where there are none, the discussion is already over.

[jsca777]

I don't think you're out to lunch but I don't believe that secret societies that have been plotting for centuries exist. Conspiracies of that magnitude just wouldn't work....too much time and too many people. The reptilian DNA thing is posted on some of the web sites along with a lot of other things...with no proof to back it up. We have to be discerning, we have to take God at His word. These conspiracy theories are not Bibical, they don't line up with Scripture at all.

What does conspire mean? it means to plan secretly an unlawful or unrighteous act. it means to plot against. You don't need some specific scripture that pertains to conspiracy. Conspiracy is a reality in this wicked, corrupt world. The world is "full" of conspiracies. Government is the most corrupted people of all. They ar efull of conspiracies. Just look at what's going on and you can see that for yourself.

We know that, in the end, paganism and the occult will be rampant; we know that people will turn from the Lord, we know the A/C will rule for a time and, yes, things are going to get very bad. Satan doesn't need millions of people conspiring to take over however...he is going to do that in God's time just as Revelation foretells.

If nobody served Satan, then Satan wouldn't be able to rule anything. He can't rule true, genuine christians because they have given their hearts to the Lord. Ephesians4:27 says to give no place to the devil. If no-one gave the anti-Christ place, he would get nowhere. The anti-Christ can only rule because mankind will allow him to have place. 2nd Thessalonians2:3-12 talsk about the son of perdition, the anti-Christ and how people will follow after his ear tickling deceptive ways. You know what his ways are? The occult, new age, witchcraft. Poeple wil follow after that because it feels good to them, they enjoy what they do.

Satan doesn't have millions conspring at the top of it all, it's really just a few. The Illuminati wouldn't allow a whole lot of people to join. They wouodn't allow too many people to know their secrets.

He only wants to steal souls and to kill.

Ever though about how Satan achieves that? How does he go about getting souls to follow him and how does he get mankind to destroy one another?

IMO, if it's not part of God's word, it is false. I find nothing in the Bible that even remotely supports these things.

Revelation12:9 mentions how Satan deceives the whole world. Satan is full of eception. That is how he got Eve to sin in the Garden of Eden. Satan who is the god of this world(2nd Coritnhians4:4) is very clever in his wickedness. He knows how to manipulate people into following him and how to strategize his one world government plans. Just look at the Pharoah of Egypt, he was an occultist who worshipped the demonic world.

Are you saying that, because you left a secret society, your life is in jeopardy? Why? It's all been written about publicly, every supposed secret has been exposed already. Wouldn't satan be able to prevent that? And, if he wanted you eliminated, wouldn't you already be gone?

I never said that because I left a secret society that they want me dead, it is because I come online and expose what they do. Inspite of the opposition I get from mockers and scoffers, I stand up against the ploys that they do to people. They don't care if you quit being a member of a secret society, they only care if their plans get exposed.

You ask if satan wanted me eliminated, if I would already be gone? Like I said, God has protected me. Greater is the Lord Jesus Christ that is in me than the devil that operates through this worldy system. Satanic agents habe wanted to peg me off, but God hasn't allowed them to.

[jsca777]

excuse me?? of what did i accuse you? if you see an accusation in what i said, or have said to you, it's coming from you, not me.

Go back to this statement

in other words, you don't have any better ideas than anyone else about what to do about abortion. right?

I suggested to people that they look at the dealing with the root of the problem, rather than trying to push laws against abortion that will never get pushed. You accuse dme of not being able to have any ideas what to do about it although I had already pointed out the answer.

i just noticed you're from canada? (now may come an accusation) you have no part in this government, and therefore can do nothing with or about this government, and yet you believe you know what this government will and will not do?

What difference does it make where I am from? This is all about a coming one world government. This isn't about one specific nation. World leaders consipre this togeter. They are all in this together. Satan's got his people across the globe in strategic positions.

even beyond that, you critize people of this country for how and why they vote? i see that as pretty audacious. like armchair quarterbacking.

I didn't criticize anyone, that's just another one of your accusations. The truth is, people are oblivious to what is going on. It's not people in "your country." You seem to think that "your country" is all that. It's seems to me it's all about "your country" when the same problems are going on in other countries too.

About people being oblivious, they don't get the source of the problem. They blame the puppets, but not the ones who run things behind the scenes. All that doe sis cause a left wing vs. right wing front. IT serves as a platform of support to those gloabl elitists that want to control the poulation. They love how people scram andyell at the puppets thinking that if all you did was vote in the other party, everything would be okay.

you said you speak your mind. well i certainly hope you would allow others to do the same.

I have allowed you to. Actually, it's really up to anyone else to stand up for themselves. I won't let anyone stop me from speaking my mind. I will not let other people tell me what I can post or say. That would be allowing people to control me. And I won't allow anyone to do that to me.

[jsca777]

yes, you allowed me to speak my mind--simply because there is no way you could stop me.

I wouldn't even try to control anyone, I am not about controlling people unlike some others I have met in online message board forums.

and other people do control what you can post. it's in the tos. other people control a lot of what you do, whether you realize it or not. so good luck going against that grain.

No they don't control what I post. I make sure that I adhere to the rules of the forum. That is something everyone has a responsibilty to do. As long as I post within the rules, I can say whatever I like. Control is when you do speak up for somehting and people to to shut you up through personal attacks, nastiness, hostility, etc. There's a people who would try that.

[MorningGlory]

If nobody served Satan, then Satan wouldn't be able to rule anything. He can't rule true, genuine christians because they have given their hearts to the Lord. Ephesians4:27 says to give no place to the devil. If no-one gave the anti-Christ place, he would get nowhere. The anti-Christ can only rule because mankind will allow him to have place. 2nd Thessalonians2:3-12 talsk about the son of perdition, the anti-Christ and how people will follow after his ear tickling deceptive ways. You know what his ways are? The occult, new age, witchcraft. Poeple wil follow after that because it feels good to them, they enjoy what they do.

These things aren't new.

Satan doesn't have millions conspring at the top of it all, it's really just a few. The Illuminati wouldn't allow a whole lot of people to join. They wouodn't allow too many people to know their secrets.

From what I've read, on the varous 'Iluminati' sites, it's about 1% worldwide; that's almost 700,000 people involved in a conspiracy.

never said that because I left a secret society that they want me dead, it is because I come online and expose what they do. Inspite of the opposition I get from mockers and scoffers, I stand up against the ploys that they do to people. They don't care if you quit being a member of a secret society, they only care if their plans get exposed.

Okay, I misunderstood you but thousands are writing about this alleged society.

You ask if satan wanted me eliminated, if I would already be gone? Like I said, God has protected me. Greater is the Lord Jesus Christ that is in me than the devil that operates through this worldy system. Satanic agents habe wanted to peg me off, but God hasn't allowed them to.

No argument about God's ability to protect His own.

[e lansing]

When we opine others will do the same. Perseption is everything. You appear to be all stress out about the illuminati If we serve God and belong to Him, whats to worry? WE CANT STOP THESE OUTSIDE, UNDERCOVER, STEALTHY, GOVERMENTS. All we can do is follow His word and reach the lost and thats more than enough!

This isn't about worrying. It's just that you guys think that voting "prolife," voting for a certain candidate is going to make a difference. Reality it's not going to change anything. Many christians think that they can get laws passed to ban abortion, when reality is, that's not gonna happen anymore than they will stop fighting christianity.

But we do not throw the white flag up because we think it will not make a defference. We just keep on fighting the good fight of faith. If these shadow groups are here, they been here for a long time. They are not gong anywhere right! So why trip about what you cant change? I think there is a better chance of getting roe v wade over turn then getting rid of illuminati. A lease we have a fighting chance with an opponets we can see and function with in our laws. Bible says it will only get worse, therefore we need to decide how we will fight, by faith or flesh. We need to learn to live by faith more then ever.

You don't throw the white flag. Take your stand for what you believe in. but as far as voting is concerned, unless there's a party that runs during an election, that is not afraid to stand for righteousness, and not back down to fear of the Illuminati, your not going to see a ban on abortion. We as christians need to get the truth out to people, get people delivered, set free, and on the right track. If we fight abortion the right way, that would crack down on the demand for abortion clinics. Just like if people didn't use drugs, drug pushers would no longer be in business.

You will never get rid of the Illuminati. Satan's people have always been around even before the Illuminati was formed in 1776. Afterall, the world was full of paganism during biblical times. Those who didn't follow the Lord, followed pagan gods. Things will get very tense between good and evil in these coming days.

Can you tell me why should i care about these shadow gov? Can you tell my why you seem to so concern about them when nobody can do anything about them? If the Bible tells me that things are going to worse and God will allow it, it appears that you are stress out about what God is going to allow in the last days? Who is cnotrol? God or devil? There is nothing that is going to suprise God, He knows the end from the beginning! I think you should spend more time with this same passion that you have and spread the Gospel. If Christians Had as much passion as you, we could win the world in one day Voting is a privilege as being an American, and I will do it for as long as i can. When I do I will vote for life out of principle. If you dont think it matters, that is fine. A lot of us believe it does. At any rate God is in control and its in Him I will trust, even when satan himself shows up via the A/C, I will not fear because my trust is in Christ! I am not afraid to die for what i believe in. The best weapon i have to fight the dark forces is to spread the Gospel of my KING and snatch the lost souls out of the kingdom of darkness before they die! Just like Jesus said, "I must be about my Fathers business". So should we!

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[e lansing]

I was looking for advice on how to answer reletives who are Christian who vote for those who are pro-choice. And this thread went about the same way it goes when i talk to my relatives, opinions with no solutions. I guess there is no understanding in regard to understanding why Christians vote pro-choice.

[MorningGlory]

I was looking for advice on how to answer reletives who are Christian who vote for those who are pro-choice. And this thread went about the same way it goes when i talk to my relatives, opinions with no solutions. I guess there is no understanding in regard to understanding why Christians vote pro-choice.

This always happens when a thread gets long on this forum. Just pull it back to where you want to go.