Sleep in Jesus.

[Guest shiloh357]

Yeah, that "review" if you want to call it that, was hardly fair or objective. It was meant to be hostile and even in a cursory reading, I can that the reviewer is instantly hostile to what Piper said.

The fact that he did not see Jesus immediately upon arriving in heaven doesn't really make an argument against the credibility of what he saw. For all intents and purposes, He was IN heaven. He might not have entered the gates of the city, but he was there, according to his account.

Nothing the reviewer objects to really provides an adequate claim against the credibility of the account.

Don Piper's vision is more in line with today's emerging church:

[Guest shiloh357]

Oh no . . . not Don Piper . . .

I find his claims to be credible...

Well . . . he was a Baptist. Is there any weight there?

You can drop the snide remarks, Blindseeker. Don't make it personal.

[BlindSeeker]

Oh no . . . not Don Piper . . .

I find his claims to be credible...

Well . . . he was a Baptist. Is there any weight there?

You can drop the snide remarks, Blindseeker. Don't make it personal.

It's not personal Shiloh. Its realistic.

But I did happen to have meet with a Baptist minister today for a couple of hours who is in fact endorsing him . . . . cause he is Baptist.

So . . . like I said . . . its realistic.

[Guest shiloh357]

Oh no . . . not Don Piper . . .

I find his claims to be credible...

Well . . . he was a Baptist. Is there any weight there?

You can drop the snide remarks, Blindseeker. Don't make it personal.

It's not personal Shiloh. Its realistic.

But I did happen to have meet with a Baptist minister today for a couple of hours who is in fact endorsing him . . . . cause he is Baptist.

So . . . like I said . . . its realistic.

Yeah and the implication that since I am a Baptist (something I have never made a secret about), I am defending a fellow Baptist. It is an erroneous line of reasoning here. I don't really care about what he is or isn't. My position is based on the merit of the claims he has made.

[BlindSeeker]

Yeah, that "review" if you want to call it that, was hardly fair or objective. It was meant to be hostile and even in a cursory reading, I can that the reviewer is instantly hostile to what Piper said.

The fact that he did not see Jesus immediately upon arriving in heaven doesn't really make an argument against the credibility of what he saw. For all intents and purposes, He was IN heaven. He might not have entered the gates of the city, but he was there, according to his account.

Nothing the reviewer objects to really provides an adequate claim against the credibility of the account.

Don Piper's vision is more in line with today's emerging church:

[BlindSeeker]

Yeah and the implication that since I am a Baptist (something I have never made a secret about), I am defending a fellow Baptist. It is an erroneous line of reasoning here. I don't really care about what he is or isn't. My position is based on the merit of the claims he has made.

Ok.

[Guest shiloh357]

Yeah, that "review" if you want to call it that, was hardly fair or objective. It was meant to be hostile and even in a cursory reading, I can that the reviewer is instantly hostile to what Piper said.

The fact that he did not see Jesus immediately upon arriving in heaven doesn't really make an argument against the credibility of what he saw. For all intents and purposes, He was IN heaven. He might not have entered the gates of the city, but he was there, according to his account.

Nothing the reviewer objects to really provides an adequate claim against the credibility of the account.

Don Piper's vision is more in line with today's emerging church:

[BlindSeeker]

I was more mindful of the music aspect. Thought it the most interesting, no, most concerning thing about his trip.

Anyway, I'll stick with Jesus' words I posted earlier

I don't see that Jesus' words conflict with what Piper said.

Really?

Pastor Piper prompts another question on page 31. He writes,

"As I stood before the gate, I didn't think of it, but later I realized that I didn't hear such songs as 'The Old Rugged Cross' or 'the Nail-Scarred Hand.' None of the hymns that filled the air were about Jesus' sacrifice or death. I heard no sad songs and instinctively knew that there are no sad songs in heaven. Why should there be? All were praises about Christ's reign as King of Kings and our joyful worship for all he has done for us and how wonderful he is."

Revelation 5:9 - "And they sang a new song, saying: 'You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals;

For You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood"

Revelation 5:11-12 - "I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: 'Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!

[Guest shiloh357]

I was more mindful of the music aspect. Thought it the most interesting, no, most concerning thing about his trip.

Anyway, I'll stick with Jesus' words I posted earlier

I don't see that Jesus' words conflict with what Piper said.

Really?

Pastor Piper prompts another question on page 31. He writes,

"As I stood before the gate, I didn't think of it, but later I realized that I didn't hear such songs as 'The Old Rugged Cross' or 'the Nail-Scarred Hand.' None of the hymns that filled the air were about Jesus' sacrifice or death. I heard no sad songs and instinctively knew that there are no sad songs in heaven. Why should there be? All were praises about Christ's reign as King of Kings and our joyful worship for all he has done for us and how wonderful he is."

Revelation 5:9 - "And they sang a new song, saying: 'You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals;

For You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood"

Revelation 5:11-12 - "I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: 'Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!

[BlindSeeker]

Really?

Pastor Piper prompts another question on page 31. He writes,

"As I stood before the gate, I didn't think of it, but later I realized that I didn't hear such songs as 'The Old Rugged Cross' or 'the Nail-Scarred Hand.' None of the hymns that filled the air were about Jesus' sacrifice or death. I heard no sad songs and instinctively knew that there are no sad songs in heaven. Why should there be? All were praises about Christ's reign as King of Kings and our joyful worship for all he has done for us and how wonderful he is."

Revelation 5:9 - "And they sang a new song, saying: 'You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals;

For You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood"

Revelation 5:11-12 - "I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: 'Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!