Uh Oh! Socialism stops where self is concerned

[Matthitjah]

If this weren't so sad it would be pathetic.

"This was my heart, my choice and my health,"

Let that quote sink in for a moment.

Of course, the lowly common man who couldn't write the check or spare for the travel would have to subject himself to a broken sternum or ribs, a waiting list, and sub standard care.

Folks, this stuff is just nothing more than the old days of Serfdom which the Judeo/Christian ethic of Social Justice did away with.

Socialism in Medicine will leave more people sick and push more people towards deaths door.

Do you have proof to back up your rhetoric?

You are making wild sweeping statements based on one operation. As the article states, Newfoundland is small and doesn't have the population base to generate highly specialised health care like he wanted. What he needed, however, was still available to him there.

This guy could afford to go elsewhere and did. This doesn't imply there is something wrong with Canadian socialised health care. I'm sure the millions of Canadians who rely on it are quite thankful for it. Surely a cracked sternum is better than no health care at all?

Andy,

I do have examples aplenty; Cuba, Venezuela, etc, etc..............

Surely a cracked sternum is better than no health care at all?

Then why didn't the Canadian Premier submit to the procedure himself?

Peace,

Dave

[~candice~]

If this weren't so sad it would be pathetic.

"This was my heart, my choice and my health,"

Let that quote sink in for a moment.

Of course, the lowly common man who couldn't write the check or spare for the travel would have to subject himself to a broken sternum or ribs, a waiting list, and sub standard care.

Folks, this stuff is just nothing more than the old days of Serfdom which the Judeo/Christian ethic of Social Justice did away with.

Socialism in Medicine will leave more people sick and push more people towards deaths door.

Do you have proof to back up your rhetoric?

You are making wild sweeping statements based on one operation. As the article states, Newfoundland is small and doesn't have the population base to generate highly specialised health care like he wanted. What he needed, however, was still available to him there.

This guy could afford to go elsewhere and did. This doesn't imply there is something wrong with Canadian socialised health care. I'm sure the millions of Canadians who rely on it are quite thankful for it. Surely a cracked sternum is better than no health care at all?

Andy,

I do have examples aplenty; Cuba, Venezuela, etc, etc..............

Surely a cracked sternum is better than no health care at all?

Then why didn't the Canadian Premier submit to the procedure himself?

Peace,

Dave

Because he didn't have to. I don't support full socialisation of health care, only the bare essentials. I also don't think the government is obliged to provide the most recent procedures free of cost. The fact that Newfoundland didn't offer this procedure is not a failing of the socialisation of essential health services. If he opts to pay for the most recent up to date procedure, let him go for it. That's how funding and incentive for this kind of research works...

And before anyone jumps the gun on me, you guys can have and seek out and campaign for whatever health care floats your boat...

[Matthitjah]

If this weren't so sad it would be pathetic.

"This was my heart, my choice and my health,"

Let that quote sink in for a moment.

Of course, the lowly common man who couldn't write the check or spare for the travel would have to subject himself to a broken sternum or ribs, a waiting list, and sub standard care.

Folks, this stuff is just nothing more than the old days of Serfdom which the Judeo/Christian ethic of Social Justice did away with.

Socialism in Medicine will leave more people sick and push more people towards deaths door.

Do you have proof to back up your rhetoric?

You are making wild sweeping statements based on one operation. As the article states, Newfoundland is small and doesn't have the population base to generate highly specialised health care like he wanted. What he needed, however, was still available to him there.

This guy could afford to go elsewhere and did. This doesn't imply there is something wrong with Canadian socialised health care. I'm sure the millions of Canadians who rely on it are quite thankful for it. Surely a cracked sternum is better than no health care at all?

Andy,

I do have examples aplenty; Cuba, Venezuela, etc, etc..............

Surely a cracked sternum is better than no health care at all?

Then why didn't the Canadian Premier submit to the procedure himself?

Peace,

Dave

Because he didn't have to. I don't support full socialisation of health care, only the bare essentials. I also don't think the government is obliged to provide the most recent procedures free of cost. The fact that Newfoundland didn't offer this procedure is not a failing of the socialisation of essential health services. If he opts to pay for the most recent up to date procedure, let him go for it. That's how funding and incentive for this kind of research works...

And before anyone jumps the gun on me, you guys can have and seek out and campaign for whatever health care floats your boat...

However, the Premier could have had the procedure done in another Province, just like anyother Canadian citizen, yyet because of the broken bones, the wait, and the lack of Professionalism. He chose not too.

Listen sister, I'm not opposed to having folks who can't afford Health Care receive Medical attention. It happens every day here in America. As a matter of fact, in most States in the Union, it's illegal for Hospitals to refuse to treat folks without Health Care Insurance. The costs usually get passed on to other people or the written off.

The thing that I am opposed to is the Government dictating what level of care I will receive. Who I will see, when I will see them, and when it's cost effective.

These things fly in the face of a Free Society and every Judeo/Christian ethic and value that our mutual societies are based on.

They lead to situations where cost measures control level of care and quality of life issues.

You will note that in my inital post I mentioned that it was the Judeo/Christian value of Social Justice that did away with the exact same measures some are now stating as necessary to control and dictate the management of such a system.

Peace,

Dave

[MorningGlory]

I'm just glad we don't have a Socialist/Communist President like the United States has. We can only assume that you are all Socialists. (Alfie puts his broad brush away...) by at least 53% too.

Shame. The Newfie Premier is a Conservative of one Province. Your President is the head of the United Socialist states of America.LOL

That's a very offensive remark, Nag. Just because someone says there are long waits in Canada for health care is no reason to throw grenades. Most of us would never dream of calling P.M. Harper names, btw. How about offering a rebuttal instead of insults?

[humbleseeker]

Yep we do have a socialist president. i am not a socialist. Also Obama is not a communist he is an idealist socialist he means well but his policy is well Canadian. Hows those olympics going for ya A.

[MorningGlory]

Yep we do have a socialist president. i am not a socialist. Also Obama is not a communist he is an idealist socialist he means well but his policy is well Canadian. Hows those olympics going for ya A.

I don't agree with a lot of our President's policies either but....I don't want citizens of other countries calling him names. It's just downright disrespectful, both to Mr. Obama (he does have two children who can read!) and to the United States. I never read any American here dissing the leaders of other countries. Unless it's some terrorist country that is.

[georgedrw81]

He is not the only one who has done it. The claim is that they go for something very specific not offered by their nation health care system. They can afford it. However an action like this do not inspire confidence in the health care system.

Blessings

[MorningGlory]

He is not the only one who has done it. The claim is that they go for something very specific not offered by their nation health care system. They can afford it. However an action like this do not inspire confidence in the health care system.

Blessings

Very true. But still....he's free to do as he wishes.

[~candice~]

If this weren't so sad it would be pathetic.

"This was my heart, my choice and my health,"

Let that quote sink in for a moment.

Of course, the lowly common man who couldn't write the check or spare for the travel would have to subject himself to a broken sternum or ribs, a waiting list, and sub standard care.

Folks, this stuff is just nothing more than the old days of Serfdom which the Judeo/Christian ethic of Social Justice did away with.

Socialism in Medicine will leave more people sick and push more people towards deaths door.

Do you have proof to back up your rhetoric?

You are making wild sweeping statements based on one operation. As the article states, Newfoundland is small and doesn't have the population base to generate highly specialised health care like he wanted. What he needed, however, was still available to him there.

This guy could afford to go elsewhere and did. This doesn't imply there is something wrong with Canadian socialised health care. I'm sure the millions of Canadians who rely on it are quite thankful for it. Surely a cracked sternum is better than no health care at all?

Andy,

I do have examples aplenty; Cuba, Venezuela, etc, etc..............

Surely a cracked sternum is better than no health care at all?

Then why didn't the Canadian Premier submit to the procedure himself?

Peace,

Dave

Because he didn't have to. I don't support full socialisation of health care, only the bare essentials. I also don't think the government is obliged to provide the most recent procedures free of cost. The fact that Newfoundland didn't offer this procedure is not a failing of the socialisation of essential health services. If he opts to pay for the most recent up to date procedure, let him go for it. That's how funding and incentive for this kind of research works...

And before anyone jumps the gun on me, you guys can have and seek out and campaign for whatever health care floats your boat...

However, the Premier could have had the procedure done in another Province, just like anyother Canadian citizen, yyet because of the broken bones, the wait, and the lack of Professionalism. He chose not too.

Listen sister, I'm not opposed to having folks who can't afford Health Care receive Medical attention. It happens every day here in America. As a matter of fact, in most States in the Union, it's illegal for Hospitals to refuse to treat folks without Health Care Insurance. The costs usually get passed on to other people or the written off.

The thing that I am opposed to is the Government dictating what level of care I will receive. Who I will see, when I will see them, and when it's cost effective.

These things fly in the face of a Free Society and every Judeo/Christian ethic and value that our mutual societies are based on.

They lead to situations where cost measures control level of care and quality of life issues.

You will note that in my inital post I mentioned that it was the Judeo/Christian value of Social Justice that did away with the exact same measures some are now stating as necessary to control and dictate the management of such a system.

Peace,

Dave

I don't see what the big deal is. He chose to go to the premier heart surgeon for the procedure he needed, who is American. Big deal? It's one operation. It shows you guys have some surgeons who are at the pinacle of research and technique. Why shouldn't he be able to come to the states, or anywhere else for that matter, to get surgery? This kind of surgery is essentially a business.

I actually agree (shock horror!) that there should be levels of care. A core basic health care, given to all, and the rest is user pays, you get what you pay for... if you want the absolute best than you can pay through the teeth.

But this situation doesn't prove to me that socialising essential health services is a dismal failure. I am at work so I can't comment on Ovedya's video, sorry.

[Guest shiloh357]

We have kings and diplomats from all over the world come to the United States, even from more developed countries like England for OUR medical care because they know they can get what they need without standing in line.

They do not have to be happy with the socialized medicine they expect their people to be satisfied with. They come here because we have the best healthcare system in the world; far better than any nation that offers socialized medicine.

Those who have the means to choose NEVER choose socialized medical care. They choose to come to America.

Mr. Williams could have stayed in Canada. He could have gone to Alberta, or Ontario, or Winnepeg, but no, he chose the better system. He did not just randomly choose an American. He chose the American system, because it is better than Canada's system.

While are government is trying to make the US more "international" and trying to make us look like the rest of the world, the rest of the world comes to us for help precisely because we have more to offer.