Evolutionists: Why is it so important to you?

[Rick-Parker]

They aren't going to answer the question. And the is more than one or two evolutionists who have read your question.

[~candice~]

They aren't going to answer the question. And the is more than one or two evolutionists who have read your question.

Why not .

[~candice~]

I was wondering why evolution - promoting it, getting people to believe it - is so important to evolutionists?

As a Christian, I can understand why promoting Creationism is important to Christians - because of our faith.

But evolutionists, why does it matter to you what people believe or not with regards to the distant past? So what if people believe the Earth is young? So what if parents want their children to be taught their beliefs? What is it to you?

There's several ways I would answer this question; as a science teacher and as a poster here. As a science teacher it's important to me that students understand the theory of evolution because it is the leading theory in biology, just as I would want my students to understand theories of plate tectonics as the leading theory in geology.

As a poster here I'm much more concerned about the inherent honesty/consistency of your arguments than I am about the particular form of your conclusions. For one thing your standardized test scores aren't going to reflect on me, but your conduct in debates and/or discussions on these issues does reflect on nonbelievers perceptions of Christianity. If you're going to take a stand against reams of evidence that is your choice, but if you're going to take this stand out into the world as "creationism" you're going to get called on it and if the only way you can figure out to defend it is to employ pseudoscience and ignorance nonbelievers will very likely come to associate this with Christianity. In this sense you can think of me as a "dry run" where you can test out the defense of your positions against evolution because you can bet that if I call you on something a nonbeliever will do the same. . .only probably not as gently. You're welcome.

Lurker

Lurker,

Kudos for replying, even though you know you are likely to be the only person on your side of the fence...

So you are here for us to use as a "dry run"... and you are worried about the perception that we are going to give non believers about Christianity because of our creationist beliefs. OK, I understand that.

I just want to turn that around for a moment. I am also worried about perceptions... when people who are christians preach evolution... it sends the perception to non believers that the Word is something that can be played with and moulded to shape our preconceived ideas and preferences. That the Word doesn't really say what it says, that it is flexible. And this is absolutely not the case!

So I understand your point of view... but I am also concerned (deeply) about the perceptions that your argument sends non christians. The bible is how we know about God, His voice and message to us. Our unchanging God IS the Word, let's not change what He says.

Blessings,

Andy

[MorningGlory]

I was wondering why evolution - promoting it, getting people to believe it - is so important to evolutionists?

As a Christian, I can understand why promoting Creationism is important to Christians - because of our faith.

But evolutionists, why does it matter to you what people believe or not with regards to the distant past? So what if people believe the Earth is young? So what if parents want their children to be taught their beliefs? What is it to you?

There's several ways I would answer this question; as a science teacher and as a poster here. As a science teacher it's important to me that students understand the theory of evolution because it is the leading theory in biology, just as I would want my students to understand theories of plate tectonics as the leading theory in geology.

As a poster here I'm much more concerned about the inherent honesty/consistency of your arguments than I am about the particular form of your conclusions. For one thing your standardized test scores aren't going to reflect on me, but your conduct in debates and/or discussions on these issues does reflect on nonbelievers perceptions of Christianity. If you're going to take a stand against reams of evidence that is your choice, but if you're going to take this stand out into the world as "creationism" you're going to get called on it and if the only way you can figure out to defend it is to employ pseudoscience and ignorance nonbelievers will very likely come to associate this with Christianity. In this sense you can think of me as a "dry run" where you can test out the defense of your positions against evolution because you can bet that if I call you on something a nonbeliever will do the same. . .only probably not as gently. You're welcome.

Lurker

I'm a little amazed by your contention that somehow Christians have to defend the faith. Nonbelievers are objects of pity and prayer for Christians, Lurker. It really doesn't matter what tripe they throw at the Bible and Creation. God doesn't care and He will not be mocked. It doesn't matter if believers tell atheists the earth is 6,000 years old nor does it matter what those atheists think about that.....the fate of those that deny Him is already known.

[Guest]

.... Really? We don't "flex" what the bible says? Have you ever been in a professional position of authority over a man? Did you find "flexing" that particular part of the Word problematic? The Bible certainly contains inflexible moral and spiritual truths, but let's not pretend as though we do not recognize that those truths are housed within the context of the time they were first written. The Bible is certainly one very specific way God has chosen to reveal Himself, but it is not the totality of Christianity - I would think that we would also know about God through a personal relationship with Him, yes?

Either He Is LORD

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Revelation 4:11

And Either All Of His Words Are True

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Psalms 116:160

Or Jesus Is Not The Truth

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:6

And The Creator

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:1-3

And The Question

For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

Luke 9:26

For You Is How Many Words

And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Luke 4:4

From God's Holy Bible Will You Trash

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 4:2

With Man's Empty Philosophy Of God-Less Creation

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Colossians 2:8

Before You Turn And Give The LORD Jesus Christ The Worship He Is Due

O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.

Isaiah 37:16

>>>>>()<<<<<

Believe

Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. And he shall be for a sanctuary;....

Isaiah 8:13-14 (a)

And Be Blessed Beloved

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1 Corinthians 1:19-23

Love, Joe

Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn.

This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. Isaiah 54: 16-17

[Fez]

.... Really? We don't "flex" what the bible says? Have you ever been in a professional position of authority over a man? Did you find "flexing" that particular part of the Word problematic? The Bible certainly contains inflexible moral and spiritual truths, but let's not pretend as though we do not recognize that those truths are housed within the context of the time they were first written. The Bible is certainly one very specific way God has chosen to reveal Himself, but it is not the totality of Christianity - I would think that we would also know about God through a personal relationship with Him, yes?

No.

And there you start losing the plot. We know God through scripture, and then we have a personal, intimate, relationship with Him. Your way obviates scripture, skates around creation, but allows you to have a personal relationship with my God without His word?

It does not work that way, sorry.

[Rick-Parker]

I'm a little amazed by your contention that somehow Christians have to defend the faith. Nonbelievers are objects of pity and prayer for Christians, Lurker. It really doesn't matter what tripe they throw at the Bible and Creation. God doesn't care and He will not be mocked. It doesn't matter if believers tell atheists the earth is 6,000 years old nor does it matter what those atheists think about that.....the fate of those that deny Him is already known.

Especially pseudo-Christians who cast doubt about the legitimacy and truth of God's Word.

Matthew 25:41

[nebula]

Thanks for responding!

(Hmm . . . now I need to understand what the atheistic and agnostic evolutionists have to say . . . ?)

But anyway -

There's several ways I would answer this question; as a science teacher and as a poster here. As a science teacher it's important to me that students understand the theory of evolution because it is the leading theory in biology, just as I would want my students to understand theories of plate tectonics as the leading theory in geology.

All right, but why is it important for non-scientists to believe man's bodies evolved from some ape ancestor?

As a poster here I'm much more concerned about the inherent honesty/consistency of your arguments than I am about the particular form of your conclusions. For one thing your standardized test scores aren't going to reflect on me, but your conduct in debates and/or discussions on these issues does reflect on nonbelievers perceptions of Christianity. . . .

Do you interact on a science board as a Christian representative?

I did. I discovered that joining with them did not change their perspective on Christianity, nor on Jesus, one iota.

So what evidence do you have to support your belief that Christians believing in evolution will change nonbelievers perceptions of Christianity?

In this sense you can think of me as a "dry run" where you can test out the defense of your positions against evolution because you can bet that if I call you on something a nonbeliever will do the same. . .only probably not as gently. You're welcome.

And so far the only gain I've seen here is that none of us have the evidence to support your claim that you are a Christian.

[Fez]

Thanks for responding!

(Hmm . . . now I need to understand what the atheistic and agnostic evolutionists have to say . . . ?)

But anyway -

There's several ways I would answer this question; as a science teacher and as a poster here. As a science teacher it's important to me that students understand the theory of evolution because it is the leading theory in biology, just as I would want my students to understand theories of plate tectonics as the leading theory in geology.

All right, but why is it important for non-scientists to believe man's bodies evolved from some ape ancestor?

As a poster here I'm much more concerned about the inherent honesty/consistency of your arguments than I am about the particular form of your conclusions. For one thing your standardized test scores aren't going to reflect on me, but your conduct in debates and/or discussions on these issues does reflect on nonbelievers perceptions of Christianity. . . .

Do you interact on a science board as a Christian representative?

I did. I discovered that joining with them did not change their perspective on Christianity, nor on Jesus, one iota.

So what evidence do you have to support your belief that Christians believing in evolution will change nonbelievers perceptions of Christianity?

In this sense you can think of me as a "dry run" where you can test out the defense of your positions against evolution because you can bet that if I call you on something a nonbeliever will do the same. . .only probably not as gently. You're welcome.

And so far the only gain I've seen here is that none of us have the evidence to support your claim that you are a Christian.

I wondered when the penny would drop

[nebula]

Not sure what you meant, Fez, but some things take me a while to think about before I can answer.