Why Must the Church Come to Accept Evolution?

[ollkiller]

It makes you neither, it simply means you are asking questions, and in my opinion that's a good thing, provided your motives for doing so are pure. For instance referring to God (note capital), as "his/her", also brings into question your sincerity. How can you open yourself up to God (note capitals), when you question God's very existence by, on a Christian Ministry site saying something like his/her, when you know full well that God is God and is referred to in the bible as He?

My motives would be pure in the sense i am interested in whether God exists or not. The referring to god as his/her is just so i don't offend anyone, that is all. I've mentioned it in other sites and it's like how do you know god is a man etc so that was my reasoning.

[Fez]

It makes you neither, it simply means you are asking questions, and in my opinion that's a good thing, provided your motives for doing so are pure. For instance referring to God (note capital), as "his/her", also brings into question your sincerity. How can you open yourself up to God (note capitals), when you question God's very existence by, on a Christian Ministry site saying something like his/her, when you know full well that God is God and is referred to in the bible as He?

My motives would be pure in the sense i am interested in whether God exists or not. The referring to god as his/her is just so i don't offend anyone, that is all. I've mentioned it in other sites and it's like how do you know god is a man etc so that was my reasoning.

Ok, do you have a bible? If not let me help you with the gender question so we can get that out the way first.

Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done.

It gets a bit more interesting in the New Testament.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.

Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.

Joh 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

So have we settled the gender thing?

You will also note that the bible (This is from the English Standard Version) also uses the Capital G when refering to God. So rest assured you will not offend anyone on this site by refering to God with a capital G.

[ollkiller]

It makes you neither, it simply means you are asking questions, and in my opinion that's a good thing, provided your motives for doing so are pure. For instance referring to God (note capital), as "his/her", also brings into question your sincerity. How can you open yourself up to God (note capitals), when you question God's very existence by, on a Christian Ministry site saying something like his/her, when you know full well that God is God and is referred to in the bible as He?

My motives would be pure in the sense i am interested in whether God exists or not. The referring to god as his/her is just so i don't offend anyone, that is all. I've mentioned it in other sites and it's like how do you know god is a man etc so that was my reasoning.

Ok, do you have a bible? If not let me help you with the gender question so we can get that out the way first.

Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done.

It gets a bit more interesting in the New Testament.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.

Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.

Joh 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

So have we settled the gender thing?

You will also note that the bible (This is from the English Standard Version) also uses the Capital G when refering to God. So rest assured you will not offend anyone on this site by refering to God with a capital G.

Sound got that. Will continue at a later stage. Later hombres.

[Rick-Parker]

Right, i get what your saying. Now as an example i have a few friends here in ireland who are devoted catholics, really devout and all rounded people. Now they believe in evolution but as i said are very religious and live their lives according to the bible. Now catholicism advocates evolution saying it's all in god's plan so that's why i think they believe it. Now my question is are these people according to your understanding of the bible going to hell.

I think that if you do not accept the creation model given in scripture (creationism vs evolution), then you are denying that God created Adam from the dust. This therefore invalidates the lineage of Christ and the fact that He is the Son of God and therefore cancels out His sacrifice on the Cross as sufficient payment for sin. You can't have it both ways. You can't deny one part of God's Word and accept another. It is all or nothing. So, I guess my answer is that they do not believe in the real Jesus Christ and are thus lost. (Only God knows for sure, though.)

[Guest lynperez]

From Bruce Waltke regrding the video with those staments:

1. I had not seen the video before it was distributed. Having seen it now, I realize its deficiency and wish to put my comments in a fuller theological context.

2. Adam and Eve are historical figures from whom all humans are descended; they are uniquely created in the image of God and as such are not in continuum with animals.

3. Adam is the federal and historical head of the fallen human race just as Jesus Christ is the federal and historical head of the Church.

4. I am not a scientist, but I have familiarized myself with attempts to harmonize Genesis 1-3 with science, and I believe that creation by the process of evolution is a tenable Biblical position. I apologize for giving the impression that others who seek to harmonize the two differently are not credible. I honor all who contend for the Christian faith.

5. Evolution as a process must be clearly distinguished from evolutionism as a philosophy. The latter is incompatible with orthodox Christian theology.

6. Science is fallible and subject to revision. As a human and social enterprise, science will always be in flux. My first commitment is to the infallibility (as to its authority) and inerrancy (as to its Source) of Scripture.

7. God could have created the Garden of Eden with apparent age or miraculously, even as Christ instantly turned water into wine, but the statement that God

[Fez]

From Bruce Waltke regrding the video with those staments:

1. I had not seen the video before it was distributed. Having seen it now, I realize its deficiency and wish to put my comments in a fuller theological context.

2. Adam and Eve are historical figures from whom all humans are descended; they are uniquely created in the image of God and as such are not in continuum with animals.

3. Adam is the federal and historical head of the fallen human race just as Jesus Christ is the federal and historical head of the Church.

4. I am not a scientist, but I have familiarized myself with attempts to harmonize Genesis 1-3 with science, and I believe that creation by the process of evolution is a tenable Biblical position. I apologize for giving the impression that others who seek to harmonize the two differently are not credible. I honor all who contend for the Christian faith.

5. Evolution as a process must be clearly distinguished from evolutionism as a philosophy. The latter is incompatible with orthodox Christian theology.

6. Science is fallible and subject to revision. As a human and social enterprise, science will always be in flux. My first commitment is to the infallibility (as to its authority) and inerrancy (as to its Source) of Scripture.

7. God could have created the Garden of Eden with apparent age or miraculously, even as Christ instantly turned water into wine, but the statement that God

[Guest]

Amen!

Death Spiral Theology

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man,

and maketh flesh his arm,

and whose heart departeth from the LORD. Jeremiah 17:5

Or The Simple Trust Of A Born Again Child

Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD,

and whose hope the LORD is. Jeremiah 17:5

[Joshua-777]

Galatians 1:10-11

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

Call to Apostleship

11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

We as the Body of Christ should not be molded to this world.

Romans 12:2

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.