Can one be saved without repenting...

[nebula]

Repentance happens the minute you acknowledge the gospel by faith. You cannot believe and not repent. It is impossible. Repentance is included in faith.

Then Peter was wasting his breath in Acts 2 when asked "Brethren what shall we do?" and he responded "Repent and..." I guess the question was rhetorical since the belief was already there.

Surely you have Scripture that says "Repentance is included in faith" or "Repentance happens the minute you acknowledge the gospel by faith."

eis -

Did you read what I posted?

Faith does not equal belief.

[e lansing]

Repentance happens the minute you acknowledge the gospel by faith. You cannot believe and not repent. It is impossible. Repentance is included in faith.

Then Peter was wasting his breath in Acts 2 when asked "Brethren what shall we do?" and he responded "Repent and..." I guess the question was rhetorical since the belief was already there.

Surely you have Scripture that says "Repentance is included in faith" or "Repentance happens the minute you acknowledge the gospel by faith."

eis -

Did you read what I posted?

Faith does not equal belief.

Care to explain the difference between faith and belief?

[OneLight]

As usual, I will be the odd man out in some way or another.

When we are in a place where we do listen to the convictions of our sins through the Holy Spirit, He opens our eyes to Jesus and salvation. He invites us to accept Christ as our savior. Through faith, we accept Christ as Lord and Savior of our lives.

OK .. we now belong to Christ! What is the first thing we do? We turn from what is against God ... repent. Repentance is something we heard about and something we could tell you what it was, we may even of tried to turn from our sins unsuccessfully before accepting Christ. Yet, without the Holy Spirit, we could not truly repent because we did not know where the sin really was ... in the heart. We thought it was doing the act, but Christ tells us that even if we are angry in out heart, we sin, so it is within us.

Even though they do go hand in hand, first comes salvation then comes repentance. Repentance is a life long battle for many of us, but we still are His from the first day of salvation.

[eis]

Repentance happens the minute you acknowledge the gospel by faith. You cannot believe and not repent. It is impossible. Repentance is included in faith.

Then Peter was wasting his breath in Acts 2 when asked "Brethren what shall we do?" and he responded "Repent and..." I guess the question was rhetorical since the belief was already there.

Surely you have Scripture that says "Repentance is included in faith" or "Repentance happens the minute you acknowledge the gospel by faith."

eis -

Did you read what I posted?

Faith does not equal belief.

No I missed it. Sorry, e Lansing already asked what I was going to ask in the above post

Faith = Action

Belief = ?

[eis]

Then Peter was wasting his breath in Acts 2 when asked "Brethren what shall we do?" and he responded "Repent and..." I guess the question was rhetorical since the belief was already there.

It is not a problem since Peter was not trying establish doctrine. They asked a question and Peter answered it.

Bear with me here, how do you know Peter wasn't trying to establish doctrine? Knowing that the Spirit has just come upon him,was he not responding as the Spirit led him to speak? Why would this not be the first indication, if you will, of how doctrine was being presented to the lost?

[Guest man]

You cannot believe and not repent. It is impossible.

Believing in God, the bible, whatever, does not automatically cause someone to repent.

[Guest shiloh357]

You cannot believe and not repent. It is impossible.

Believing in God, the bible, whatever, does not automatically cause someone to repent.

Yes, but we are not talking about believing in God. We are talking about turning from sin to Christ. That is repentance and is only done by faith. Turning to Christ in true saving faith IS repentance. There is no other kind of genuine repentance. Repentance is not a separate act from trusting Christ for salvation.

[Guest shiloh357]

Then Peter was wasting his breath in Acts 2 when asked "Brethren what shall we do?" and he responded "Repent and..." I guess the question was rhetorical since the belief was already there.

It is not a problem since Peter was not trying establish doctrine. They asked a question and Peter answered it.

Bear with me here, how do you know Peter wasn't trying to establish doctrine? Knowing that the Spirit has just come upon him,was he not responding as the Spirit led him to speak? Why would this not be the first indication, if you will, of how doctrine was being presented to the lost?

Just because someone one is speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit does not mean their words are "doctrinal" in nature. Peter was not teaching. He was exhorting. Doctrine is teaching and bears no resemblance to exhortation.

[Guest LadyC]

If we are saved by faith(in Christ) only, can one be saved without repenting of sin?

I never got a really good answer before.

i will join onelight and go against the grain!

yes, i believe one can be saved without repenting of sin. i was saved when i was 5 years old. what kind of horrible lifestyle did i have to turn away from? i was a fairly good kid and not openly rebellious or causing any problems. i really had nothing to repent of. still, i was saved. i knew who Jesus was, and i knew i wanted Him as my Savior. i rebelled later in life and did many things i needed to repent from. but the fact remains that as a young child, i was saved.

good point. and it made me think of something. many people accept Christ, and are still trapped in their sinful lives... they aren't strong enough in their faith to withstand the temptation. they slip back into their sinful ways and it sometimes takes years before one can see the fruit of their faith. that doesn't mean they had a "false conversion". i really hate that term anyway. who are we to say whether they were sincere when they accepted Christ? do we know the heart of every man? i remember when i was in my teens and 20's, boy, did my life ever NOT reflect Jesus. but that didn't change what i KNEW in my heart and what i admitted with my mouth.... that Jesus Christ is who He says He is. and it didn't change the fact that God was busy working in my life, on His timetable... it took me ten years to really submit my life after i'd entered my rebellion.

and again, what does scripture say is required for salvation? to believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is who He says He is.

[nebula]

Repentance happens the minute you acknowledge the gospel by faith. You cannot believe and not repent. It is impossible. Repentance is included in faith.

Then Peter was wasting his breath in Acts 2 when asked "Brethren what shall we do?" and he responded "Repent and..." I guess the question was rhetorical since the belief was already there.

Surely you have Scripture that says "Repentance is included in faith" or "Repentance happens the minute you acknowledge the gospel by faith."

eis -

Did you read what I posted?

Faith does not equal belief.

Care to explain the difference between faith and belief?

No I missed it. Sorry, e Lansing already asked what I was going to ask in the above post

Faith = Action

Belief = ?

OK - repost:

The Hebrew word for faith is 'amanah which means "support."

The concept is not a belief but an action. To say, "I have faith in God," means, "I support God" - that is by your actions.

Recall that Abraham's faith was evidenced by his actions. If he had not been obedient, Abraham's belief would have meant nothing.