Are we meant to worry any further about end times than the teachings J

[~candice~]

Don't worry, study .

What, maths?

Nah, cooking

[oldzimm]

I don't worry about what or when things will happen, I just stay focused on Jesus and everything else will happen when God feels it is time.

I sorta get a chuckle from these groups of people in the past that say the second coming of Christ will be such and such a time. When that day comes the whole group climbs up a hill to wait for the lord and at the end of the day they come down the hill disappointed. The latest I've heard the second coming is 2012, they seem to forget Jesus said "I will be coming like a thief in the night". I'm not worried when Jesus is coming, I just want to stay prepared for it.

[Guest]

Welcome!

Wonderful Posting!

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.... touching on Revelations....

Revelation

The Big Book Of The LION Of Judah

Come And See The KING OF KINGS And THE LORD OF LORDS Even So, Come, Lord Jesus

The End

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22:18-19

The Beginning

Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. Revelation 1:3

And The Captain Of

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Revelation 1:1-2

My Heart

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. Revelation 22:20

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. Psalms 42:1

[georgedrw81]

The moment we accept the living Christ within us all our worries disappear.

Blessings

[Rick-Parker]

One thing that I find useful in knowing the timing of End Times, is to encourage those who are on the cusp of making a decision for Christ or are back-slidden, that time is running out and that they need to make up their minds or be left behind.

[Guest yod]

There is a balance between focusing too much on eschatological pursuit and being completely ignorant of 15% of the Bible.

Both of those extremes are wrong.

God wanted us to know these things or He wouldn't have put them in the Word. The real problem is that it takes a LOT of study to get the big picture. Nothing in the bible contradicts itself and "in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let everything be confirmed" means that we should be able to harmonize the prophetic scriptures with the whole counsel of holy writ.

The biggest problem I see are people who read the hebrew Prophets as if they were Greek oracles. They'll take a verse here and twist it with a half-verse there and completely apart from the original context, then make a new doctrine out of it.

We should study the Prophets and we should understand every Word in the bible. It's not necessary for salvation but it is important if the Lord wants us to know it.

Proverbs 30

5 "Every word of God is flawless;

he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.

6 Do not add to his words,

or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.

And we balance it against these 3 verses:

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

"the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

[Fez]

There is a balance between focusing too much on eschatological pursuit and being completely ignorant of 15% of the Bible.

Both of those extremes are wrong.

Do you believe it is possible to fully understand prophecy prior to it coming to pass?

No I don't and I don't think that the prophecies in the OT, even those about the coming of Jesus, were ever fully understood.

[Guest yod]

There is a balance between focusing too much on eschatological pursuit and being completely ignorant of 15% of the Bible.

Both of those extremes are wrong.

Do you believe it is possible to fully understand prophecy prior to it coming to pass?

No I don't and I don't think that the prophecies in the OT, even those about the coming of Jesus, were ever fully understood.

I understand what you're saying but don't necessarily agree

we can fully understand prophecy in advance, though we can't necessarily say exactly how it will happen. Yet by understanding what the Word has said, we can recognize when it is happening and be somewhat prepared (and even rejoice in seeing it's fulfillment though the world may be fearful)

Daniel understood that Jeremiah had prophecied Israel would be in captivity for 70 years. He didn't know exactly how that would be done, but he knew it would happen and began earnestly seeking it when he realized the time had come.

Isaiah specifically mentions the name of Cyrus in chapter 44 and what he would do...200 years before Cyrus was born. I doubt anyone would have suspected Cyrus would be a Persian king even 10 years before it happened....but it did happen...and precisely as Isaiah said it would (see Nehemiah and Ezra).

Alexander the Great was kind to Israel because the Priests showed him where he was mentioned in Daniel 11. There are many other examples.....

A lot of the symbolism makes no sense whatsoever unless one understands the way the original writer would have understood it; so context is everything. Even then, many of the original writers had no idea what they had just uttered so it isn't a perfect science.

Almost nothing in the Book of Revelation is new. Much of the symbolism can be found in the Tenach (OT for christians) and without harmonizing them, one will not find the correct context.

There are some basic terms that must be understood in the hebraic context or you'll end up with weird 7th Day Adventist stuff (like the 2 witnesses being the Old and New Testament and the city called "Gomorrah" being Paris during the French Revolution)

But the Lord has hidden the truth in plain sight for those who seek His Word.

My rule is that scenarios change with the date on a newspaper. I like examining scenarios but don't put a lot of faith in them. For example, almost EVERY war in history has followed the 4 Horsemen pattern of a king going out to conquor, then a spirit of war among nations, then famine and disease, then death following at the end of it.

Yet there will be a day when it is culminated at Har Meggido (Armeggedon)

The Word of God is true...but scenarios can change.

[Smalcald]

If Prophecy were not important it would not be in scripture.

But I know what the OP is talking about. I have several extended family members that just fret and fret about these things when there is NOTHING that they can do about them beyond growing in their own faith which is a good thing, not something to worry about.

It brings up a question though. Beyond growing in our own devotion and faith and spreading the Gospel is there something we are supposed to DO about responding to the end times or the anti-Christ or the Return of Christ?

[Guest man]

It brings up a question though. Beyond growing in our own devotion and faith and spreading the Gospel is there something we are supposed to DO about responding to the end times or the anti-Christ or the Return of Christ?

Such as......?