joemiller Posted April 22, 2010 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 108 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 66 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/06/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/31/1951 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Thanks for the links wyguy. I love the research that touches all areas of the Bible. Here's a nice research site on the Exodus that you may like: The Exodus Case by Lennart Moller (2010) http://www.exodusconspiracy.com/ Moller and the film crew ran into some very aggressive encounters during their research. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted April 22, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.10 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2010 I've never doubted either. But it IS interesting to read about; especially the remains of Egyptian chariots. It makes you think. Like 'how many expensive chariots would be under water' ordinarily? My guess is...not many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted April 22, 2010 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,225 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,484 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Very interesting articles on proof for the Exodus: http://www.bibleprobe.com/exodus.htm http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm Thanks for that!!! I heard story not sure of its truth but the reality of the truth worth passing on! Skeptics stated that the crossing depth was only knee deep in the suggested area they thought. When in the group one jumped up and praised the Lord of Glory for the miracle of drowning the whole Egyptian army in such shallow water God is going to get all the glory and I am excited about that!!! Love Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyguy Posted April 22, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 373 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,331 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 71 Days Won: 10 Joined: 10/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/24/1965 Author Share Posted April 22, 2010 I never doubted it. Not even a little? Of all the things I've read of in the Bible, the Exodus has never been one I had any doubts about. Honestly, I can say I've never doubted the stories and/or miracles of the Bible at all. The only thing I've ever struggled with was the human emotional side of some of the orders issued to the Children of Israel. For example: it has always seemed kinda harsh to me that a woman was condemned for not screaming for help while being raped if she was somewhere that she might be overheard. But, that's just my own feminism getting in the way. As for the story of the Exodus or the Flood or Daniel or David or Solomon or anything else, it is just something I've always had faith in. No doubts there. What boggles my own mind is the fact the Israelites had seen firsthand all of those miracles God did in Egypt, was led by the vortex of fire at night and smoke in the day, was fed and given water by God in the desert, and all of the other mighty works God did, and then when Moses went up on the mountain to receive the 10 commandments, they built a golden idol and worshipped it!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladypeartree Posted April 22, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 37 Topic Count: 539 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 32,851 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 23,548 Days Won: 226 Joined: 06/21/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/23/1953 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Bit like us at times.... we KNOW God provides for us but how many of us worry and worry and worry about how we are to get things ???? I was talking to a few senior citizens today and they were reminising about what it was like growing up pre world war 2 and during it ...all the things that they thought of as luxury we think of as deprivation ...our golden calf is all too often meterial possessions and labour saving devices/ time wasting devices ( tv etc ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizzdy Posted April 22, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 173 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,911 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 10 Joined: 03/21/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2010 What boggles my own mind is the fact the Israelites had seen firsthand all of those miracles God did in Egypt, was led by the vortex of fire at night and smoke in the day, was fed and given water by God in the desert, and all of the other mighty works God did, and then when Moses went up on the mountain to receive the 10 commandments, they built a golden idol and worshipped it!!!!!! I echo those sentiments! Some of those Israelites wanted to get out from under the oppression of the pharoah but liked the creature comforts of Egypt so one needs to be willing to let go of Egypt in the heart as well and well we can see some just didn't want to. Sad. And we may see that happen once again when He comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted April 22, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Personally, I believe the manifestations of the spirit-realm were more common place back then than they are now. Recall that the Egyptian magicians didn't even bat an eye when Aaron's rod turned into a snake. They simply threw their rods down and did the same. (And no, I don't think these priests went around with snakes up their sleeves just for such an occasion. . . . Besides, since when have you seen images of Egyptian priests wearing long-sleeved robes anyway?) Another thing to consider - ancient religions were about you manipulating the gods to do your bidding through your worship, your sacrifices, etc. YHWH didn't work that way, but it seems as if the people never quite "got" that, or were truly comfortable with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 What boggles my own mind is the fact the Israelites had seen firsthand all of those miracles God did in Egypt, was led by the vortex of fire at night and smoke in the day, was fed and given water by God in the desert, and all of the other mighty works God did, and then when Moses went up on the mountain to receive the 10 commandments, they built a golden idol and worshipped it!!!!!! I echo those sentiments! Some of those Israelites wanted to get out from under the oppression of the pharoah but liked the creature comforts of Egypt so one needs to be willing to let go of Egypt in the heart as well and well we can see some just didn't want to. Sad. And we may see that happen once again when He comes back. It's already happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyguy Posted April 22, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 373 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,331 Content Per Day: 0.59 Reputation: 71 Days Won: 10 Joined: 10/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/24/1965 Author Share Posted April 22, 2010 Personally, I believe the manifestations of the spirit-realm were more common place back then than they are now. Recall that the Egyptian magicians didn't even bat an eye when Aaron's rod turned into a snake. They simply threw their rods down and did the same. (And no, I don't think these priests went around with snakes up their sleeves just for such an occasion. . . . Besides, since when have you seen images of Egyptian priests wearing long-sleeved robes anyway?) Another thing to consider - ancient religions were about you manipulating the gods to do your bidding through your worship, your sacrifices, etc. YHWH didn't work that way, but it seems as if the people never quite "got" that, or were truly comfortable with that. I like how the 10 plagues were an attack on the 10 most prominent Egyptian gods: Type of plague that God pronounced upon Egypt: Water Turned to Blood Corresponding Egyptian God or Goddess to the type of plague: Hapi- Egyptian God of the Nile Type of plague that God pronounced upon Egypt: Frogs coming from the Nile River Corresponding Egyptian God or Goddess to the type of plague: Heket- Egyptian Goddess of Fertility, Water, and frogs Type of plague that God pronounced upon Egypt: Lice from the dust of the earth Corresponding Egyptian God or Goddess to the type of plague: Geb- Egyptian God of the Earth Type of plague that God pronounced upon Egypt: Swarms of Flies Corresponding Egyptian God or Goddess to the type of plague: Khepri - Egyptian God of creation Type of plague that God pronounced upon Egypt: Death of Cattle and Livestock Corresponding Egyptian God or Goddess to the type of plague: Apis - Egyptian sacred bull god Type of plague that God pronounced upon Egypt: Ashes turned to Boils and Sores Corresponding Egyptian God or Goddess to the type of plague: Imhotep - Egyptian god of medicine Type of plague that God pronounced upon Egypt: Hail rained down in the form of fire Corresponding Egyptian God or Goddess to the type of plague: Nut- Egyptian Goddess of the Sky who controlled the weather Type of plague that God pronounced upon Egypt: Locusts sent from the sky that destroyed crops Corresponding Egyptian God or Goddess to the type of plague: Seth- Egyptian God of crops Type of plague that God pronounced upon Egypt: Three Days of Complete Darkness Corresponding Egyptian God or Goddess to the type of plague: Ra- The Sun God Type of plague that God pronounced upon Egypt: Death of the Firstborn Corresponding Egyptian God or Goddess to the type of plague: Pharaoh- The Ultimate Power of Egypt, and considered a "god." Ain't it cool how God works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted April 22, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted April 22, 2010 I like how the 10 plagues were an attack on the 10 most prominent Egyptian gods: Type of plague that God pronounced upon Egypt: Frogs coming from the Nile River Corresponding Egyptian God or Goddess to the type of plague: Heket- Egyptian Goddess of Fertility, Water, and frogs I like how Bill Gothard put it: "And God said, 'So, you like frogs?!'" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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