Does Science Prove God Exists?

[MorningGlory]

See also Gen. 10:5. The Gentiles survived Noah's flood.

So Noah and his family were not the only survivors of the flood?

Of course -- look around and see all the races of people.

The Bible does not support this.

[Guest man]

See also Gen. 10:5. The Gentiles survived Noah's flood.

So Noah and his family were not the only survivors of the flood?

Of course not -- look around and see all the races of people.

Then how do you explain this?

Genesis 7

21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man.

22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died.

23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive.

[Guest Watchman_2]

See also Gen. 10:5. The Gentiles survived Noah's flood.

So Noah and his family were not the only survivors of the flood?

Of course -- look around and see all the races of people.

The Bible does not support this.

See Gen. 10:5. The Gentiles survived the flood.

At no time after Noah's flood did God create the non-Adamic races of people.

Hence, the Bible confirms that all races of mankind survived Noah's flood.

[Guest man]

See also Gen. 10:5. The Gentiles survived Noah's flood.

So Noah and his family were not the only survivors of the flood?

Of course -- look around and see all the races of people.

The Bible does not support this.

See Gen. 10:5. The Gentiles survived the flood.

At no time after Noah's flood did God create the non-Adamic races of people.

Hence, the Bible confirms that all races of mankind survived Noah's flood.

Read chapter 10 from beginning to end and you will have your answer.

[Guest Watchman_2]

Then how do you explain this?

Genesis 7

21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man.

22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died.

23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive.

Check out the word 'earth' in Hebrew -

H776

ארץ

'erets

eh'-rets

From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large,

or partitively a land

): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world.

The goal of the fallen angels was to corrupt the blood line to Christ. The fallen angels were in Satan's camp in the first age and were doing his bidding in this second age. Hence, the fallen angels, and their offspring, would have been located within the lands of the Adamic race -- not the other races of people.

So, Noah's flood was not of the entire planet like the flood in Gen. 1:2. It was only necessary to drown those 'giants' [offspring of the fallen angels] of Gen. 6.

Only 8 of the Adamic race survived Noah's flood. The rest of the races survived just fine [Gen. 10:5 and by inspection today].

Edited May 19, 2010 by Watchman_2

[Guest man]

Then how do you explain this?

Genesis 7

21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man.

22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died.

23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive.

Check out the word 'earth' in Hebrew -

H776

ארץ

'erets

eh'-rets

From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large,

or partitively a land

): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world.

The goal of the fallen angels was to corrupt the blood line to Christ. The fallen angels were in Satan's camp in the first age and were doing his bidding in this second age. Hence, the fallen angels, and their offspring, would have be located within the lands of the Adamic race -- not the other races of people.

So, Noah's flood was not of the entire planet like the flood in Gen. 1:2. It was only necessary to drown those 'giants' [offspring of the fallen angels] of Gen. 6.

Genesis 7

17 Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth.

18 The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.

20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.

The entire planet was covered with water. Everything was killed off. Everything except Noah and his family.

Read chapters 7 and 10 from beginning to end. Then read chapter 11 very carefully.

[Guest Watchman_2]

Genesis 7

17 Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth.

18 The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.

20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.

The entire planet was covered with water. Everything was killed off. Everything except Noah and his family.

Read chapters 7 and 10 from beginning to end. Then read chapter 11 very carefully.

Check out the word 'earth' in Hebrew -

H776

ארץ

'erets

eh'-rets

From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large,

or partitively a land

): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world.

The flood covered only the lands of the Adamic race.

Check out the word 'mountains' in Hebrew -

H2022

הר

har

har

A shortened form of H2042; a mountain or

range of hills

(sometimes used figuratively): - hill (country), mount (-ain), X promotion.

The offspring of the fallen angels would climb the hills in the land to escape the flood. The waters covered those hills by 15 cubits {22.5 to 30 feet}.

All non-Adamic races survived the flood. For another proof, see the following:

H7017

קיני / קיני

qêynı̂y / qı̂ynı̂y

Total KJV Occurrences: 12

kenites, 8

Gen_15:19, Num_24:21, Jdg_4:11, 1Sa_15:6 (2), 1Sa_27:10, 1Sa_30:29, 1Ch_2:55

kenite, 4

Jdg_4:16-17 (3), Jdg_5:24

The offspring of Cain survived the flood. Such scriptures leave no doubt of other mankind surviving Noah's flood. It is dispositive of the issue at hand.

Edited May 19, 2010 by Watchman_2

[Fez]

Genesis 7

17 Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth.

18 The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.

20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.

The entire planet was covered with water. Everything was killed off. Everything except Noah and his family.

Read chapters 7 and 10 from beginning to end. Then read chapter 11 very carefully.

Check out the word 'earth' in Hebrew -

H776

ארץ

'erets

eh'-rets

From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large,

or partitively a land

): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world.

The flood covered only the lands of the Adamic race.

Check out the word 'mountains' in Hebrew -

H2022

הר

har

har

A shortened form of H2042; a mountain or

range of hills

(sometimes used figuratively): - hill (country), mount (-ain), X promotion.

The offspring of the fallen angels would climb the hills in the land to escape the flood. The waters covered those hills by 15 cubits {22.5 to 30 feet}.

All non-Adamic races survived the flood. For another proof, see the following:

H7017

קיני / קיני

qêynı̂y / qı̂ynı̂y

Total KJV Occurrences: 12

kenites, 8

Gen_15:19, Num_24:21, Jdg_4:11, 1Sa_15:6 (2), 1Sa_27:10, 1Sa_30:29, 1Ch_2:55

kenite, 4

Jdg_4:16-17 (3), Jdg_5:24

The offspring of Cain survived the flood. Such scriptures leave no doubt of other mankind surviving Noah's flood. It is dispositive of the issue at hand.

Care to elucidate as to what "earth" and "mountains" the bible speaks about? Besisde the obvious as to where the ark came to rest?

[Guest Watchman_2]

Care to elucidate as to what "earth" and "mountains" the bible speaks about? Besisde the obvious as to where the ark came to rest?

As I have demonstrated in previous posts, the English renderings by the translators were not appropriate given the fact that all of the non-Adamic races of people survived Noah's flood in addition to the 8 Adamic souls in the ark. Hence, the terms 'earth' and 'mountains' in the manuscripts are not what we commonly think of in English. The Hebrew words in the manuscripts are better rendered as 'lands' and 'hillsides' in modern English vernacular.

The Bible gives a description of the location of the Garden of Eden; however, it does not specify the land where Noah lived prior to this flood event. Over 1500 years elapsed from Adam and the woman getting booted out of the Garden to Noah's flood. The Bible does not state whether the Adamic people migrated to other 'lands' prior to the flood.

Hence, there is nothing definitive in scripture to establish Noah's location prior to the flood.

You may be aware of recent events in the news regarding the possible discovery of the ark on Mt. Ararat in Turkey. Certainly, there has been much speculation as to this mountain as the location of the ark. Personally, it is my opinion that the ark was already discovered in Iran. I saw a documentary on the History Channel regarding the discovery of some ancient, non-native, wood fragments in the mountains located in western Iran. IMO, this discovery was Noah's ark.

[Fez]

Care to elucidate as to what "earth" and "mountains" the bible speaks about? Besisde the obvious as to where the ark came to rest?

As I have demonstrated in previous posts, the English renderings by the translators were not appropriate given the fact that all of the non-Adamic races of people survived Noah's flood in addition to the 8 Adamic souls in the ark. Hence, the terms 'earth' and 'mountains' in the manuscripts are not what we commonly think of in English. The Hebrew words in the manuscripts are better rendered as 'lands' and 'hillsides' in modern English vernacular.

The Bible gives a description of the location of the Garden of Eden; however, it does not specify the land where Noah lived prior to this flood event. Over 1500 years elapsed from Adam and the woman getting booted out of the Garden to Noah's flood. The Bible does not state whether the Adamic people migrated to other 'lands' prior to the flood.

Hence, there is nothing definitive in scripture to establish Noah's location prior to the flood.

You may be aware of recent events in the news regarding the possible discovery of the ark on Mt. Ararat in Turkey. Certainly, there has been much speculation as to this mountain as the location of the ark. Personally, it is my opinion that the ark was already discovered in Iran. I saw a documentary on the History Channel regarding the discovery of some ancient, non-native, wood fragments in the mountains located in western Iran. IMO, this discovery was Noah's ark.

Blessings watchman, but I must say that you have not "demonstrated" more than your own opinion, merged with some scripture in your posts, and you do it again (admittedly not from scripture this time) with your comment on the "discovery" of the ark in western Iran.

I applaud your zeal for seeking the truth, but caution that we can read too much into scripture at the expense of the truth (who is Jesus)

As Turtellian said "we prefer to be less wise in the scriptures, than to be wise against them". Spoken over 1400 years ago, but holding true today.