The Beast - Nero

[SlipperyPete]

By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Hebrews 11:8-10

But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 24:48-51

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....There is no "final kingdom" That was the Jews problem also. Even the apostles asked Jesus about when He would set up His physical kingdom and Jesus told them His kingdom was not of this world. They expected it, just as you do, but Jesus himself denys it. They thought of a physical kingdom, God had givent them a physical kingdom, the was Israel, through David. Then that was done away with and now it's a Kingdom through spirit...

"If anyone tells you that it is here or there, don't go out after it supposing it will be there for it is not. For the kingdom of heaven is in you."...

Well

Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Acts 1:11

There You Go Again

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:1-3

Subtracting From The Clear And Holy Words Of God

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:1-2

Whatever Reason Would One Give To Clive

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 John 2:15

To This Condemned Cosmos

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 2 Peter 3:3-7

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Believe

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? John 11:25-26

And Be Blessed Beloved

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

Love, Joe

Salvation is far from the wicked: for they seek not thy statutes. Psalms 119:155

How am I taking away from the scripture, Cosmo?

[lekh l'kha]

How am I taking away from the scripture, Cosmo?

"Cosmo"?

Hello Slippery,

I noticed your arrogance and your condescending remarks toward Matt in the thread about his dream - which confirmed my suspicions - the most arrogant and condescending Christians are the ones who cry like babies claiming to be the victims of arrogance and condescension. Sometimes they will be arrogant and condescending quite openly - like you were towards Matt in his thread about his dream. And sometimes they will be either arrogant or condescending through the back-door of subtlety - like "accidentally" calling someone "Cosmo" when they know perfectly well that's not his name, and do so in a sentence which is ever so subtly sarcastic.

I'd call that real slippery.

Even the apostles asked Jesus about when He would set up His physical kingdom and Jesus told them His kingdom was not of this world. They expected it, just as you do, but Jesus himself denys it.

No he doesn't - He said "Of (the) present time My Kingdom is not of this world" - I'm not going to do your homework for you - go look up the Greek word which is translated into English as "now" in that verse. His Kingdom is in the world right now - but of the present time it is not of the world. The kingdoms of this world are going to become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ - Jesus Himself revealed that to us through His servant John.

He did not deny anything when the apostles asked Him when He would set up His physical kingdom - He simply said that it's not for them to know the times or the seasons (regarding Christ setting up His physical Kingdom), BUT they were to take the gospel of His Kingdom to the world in the meantime. Neither Christ's answer to the apostles nor the later teaching of the apostles fits your understanding of the Kingdom of Christ.

But have it your way, because although I know I said I would debate this with you, yet I have a complete lack of motivation to get into this debate with you at length. Maybe it's because I've been around this same block too many times before, and maybe it's because I have a complete lack of inspiration from the Holy Spirit at the moment to get into a lengthy debate with you about this subject, I don't know. So, therefore, have it your way for now. Maybe I'll debate this with you some other time, maybe not, I don't know.

Lekh

[lekh l'kha]

The millennial kingdom is going to be Christ reigning on earth. Not the kingdom of Christ, cause we're living in the kingdom right now. He is going to create a new Jerusalem, to say this has already happened you would be ignoring scripture.

Now lets direct this towards scripture.

The Rider of the white horse is Yeshua.

Revelation 19:13

13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean,[f] followed Him on white horses

Revelation 19:19

19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Here's a key point that must happen before the millennial kingdom, the beast and the kings of the earth, and their armies are going to make war against the Lamb.

Now this is the Millennial kingdom, Christ is going to reign with us for a thousand years on earth.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Now what's going on here we get another picture in Zechariah 14, but I'm going to go past the war against the lamb, mentioned in vs 12-15 and go straight to the millennial kingdom.

Zechariah 14:16-21

16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

20 In that day

[Joshua-777]

"If anyone tells you that it is here or there, don't go out after it supposing it will be there for it is not. For the kingdom of heaven is in you."

Actually Jesus said something a little different

Matthew 24:3-28

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[lekh l'kha]

This is what happens when the pot disagrees with the kettle.

This is what happens when the pot disagrees with the kettle.

I have no sympathy for those who don't like the things their own parrots say.

[Joshua-777]

The beast nation is Rome during the time of Jesus, that's how it was able to make war with the Lamb. The "Beast" character is Nero Casear himself.

The Number 666 is a historical numerology Herbrew geneology tracker. It was and still is in use these days. During the history of the Hebrew people they were taken numerous times into captivity and so not to loose their geneology they assigned every character in the Hebrew alphabet a number. These numbers were applied to peoples names.

Although a very needed preserver during it's times in captivity, this numerology is still used as a game in Israel.

The number 666 when calculated, literally spells out Nero Casear.

This is a matter of fact and not a matter of interpretation.

Therefore, it brings about a clearer understanding of who the characters are in revelation. The beast nation is Rome under the Beast Cesar.

That is why Daniel was told to seal the books and John the revelator was told to open them.

One big problem I forgot to mention in other posts, is that the numerology tracker is known is Gematria, Used in Mystical Judaism, Which is Witchcraft. It is practiced in those that use the Kabbalah, But the Kabbalah is unbiblical. Now why would God use Gematria, and where else is it used in the bible?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria

[Guest]

The beast nation is Rome during the time of Jesus, that's how it was able to make war with the Lamb. The "Beast" character is Nero Caesar himself.

The Number 666 is a historical numerology Hebrew genealogy tracker. It was and still is in use these days. During the history of the Hebrew people they were taken numerous times into captivity and so not to loose their genealogy they assigned every character in the Hebrew alphabet a number. These numbers were applied to peoples names.

Although a very needed preserver during it's times in captivity, this numerology is still used as a game in Israel.

The number 666 when calculated, literally spells out Nero Caesar.

This is a matter of fact and not a matter of interpretation.

Therefore, it brings about a clearer understanding of who the characters are in revelation. The beast nation is Rome under the Beast Cesar.

That is why Daniel was told to seal the books and John the revelator was told to open them.

One big problem I forgot to mention in other posts, is that the numerology tracker is known is Gematria, Used in Mystical Judaism, Which is Witchcraft. It is practiced in those that use the Kabbalah, But the Kabbalah is unbiblical. Now why would God use Gematria, and where else is it used in the bible?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria

Amen Dear Sister!

From My Early Childhood I Have Never Understood Why Some Including Many Folk Near And Dear To Me Insist It Is Rome When God's Word Clearly States Babylon

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Revelation 18:2

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Revelation 18:10

And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Revelation 18:21

Especially When God Had No Problem Naming Cyrus Fully One Hundred Years Before He Was Born

Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;. Isaiah 45:1

And Now I Have A Nephew and His New Bride Living In Dubai

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Revelation 18:4

And Because Of Denominational Hatred

Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

Romans 12:9-10

No One Thinks Anything Of It!

Praying!

[Bold Believer]

The beast nation is Rome during the time of Jesus, that's how it was able to make war with the Lamb. The "Beast" character is Nero Casear himself.

The Number 666 is a historical numerology Herbrew geneology tracker. It was and still is in use these days. During the history of the Hebrew people they were taken numerous times into captivity and so not to loose their geneology they assigned every character in the Hebrew alphabet a number. These numbers were applied to peoples names.

Although a very needed preserver during it's times in captivity, this numerology is still used as a game in Israel.

The number 666 when calculated, literally spells out Nero Casear.

This is a matter of fact and not a matter of interpretation.

Therefore, it brings about a clearer understanding of who the characters are in revelation. The beast nation is Rome under the Beast Cesar.

That is why Daniel was told to seal the books and John the revelator was told to open them.

One big problem I forgot to mention in other posts, is that the numerology tracker is known is Gematria, Used in Mystical Judaism, Which is Witchcraft. It is practiced in those that use the Kabbalah, But the Kabbalah is unbiblical. Now why would God use Gematria, and where else is it used in the bible?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria

Kabbala wasn't even invented at the time of Revelation. Gemetria is different. Gemetria assigned numeric values to certain letters, usually in cases where the language had only primary numbers. Hebrew is the not the only language to have a gemetria, either. Chilton (I think it was he) seems to think that John used gematria to slip the identity of Nero past Roman censors. I'm even sure that Rome used written censorship, so I won't comment any further on that. What IS clear, is that the Holy Spirit inspired John to use gematria to get across the identity of Nero to his readers.

One other thing: Just because the bulk of the book of Revelation applies to the events Jesus referred to as 'the Days of Vengeance' doesn't mean that it doesn't have application to us now future Believers. Chapter 20 is something that applies to us since it describes events which would occur well in the future of those who originally wrote the book.

[Joshua-777]

The beast nation is Rome during the time of Jesus, that's how it was able to make war with the Lamb. The "Beast" character is Nero Casear himself.

The Number 666 is a historical numerology Herbrew geneology tracker. It was and still is in use these days. During the history of the Hebrew people they were taken numerous times into captivity and so not to loose their geneology they assigned every character in the Hebrew alphabet a number. These numbers were applied to peoples names.

Although a very needed preserver during it's times in captivity, this numerology is still used as a game in Israel.

The number 666 when calculated, literally spells out Nero Casear.

This is a matter of fact and not a matter of interpretation.

Therefore, it brings about a clearer understanding of who the characters are in revelation. The beast nation is Rome under the Beast Cesar.

That is why Daniel was told to seal the books and John the revelator was told to open them.

One big problem I forgot to mention in other posts, is that the numerology tracker is known is Gematria, Used in Mystical Judaism, Which is Witchcraft. It is practiced in those that use the Kabbalah, But the Kabbalah is unbiblical. Now why would God use Gematria, and where else is it used in the bible?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria

Kabbala wasn't even invented at the time of Revelation. Gemetria is different. Gemetria assigned numeric values to certain letters, usually in cases where the language had only primary numbers. Hebrew is the not the only language to have a gemetria, either. Chilton (I think it was he) seems to think that John used gematria to slip the identity of Nero past Roman censors. I'm even sure that Rome used written censorship, so I won't comment any further on that. What IS clear, is that the Holy Spirit inspired John to use gematria to get across the identity of Nero to his readers.

One other thing: Just because the bulk of the book of Revelation applies to the events Jesus referred to as 'the Days of Vengeance' doesn't mean that it doesn't have application to us now future Believers. Chapter 20 is something that applies to us since it describes events which would occur well in the future of those who originally wrote the book.

The Kabbala wasn't wasn't invented at the time of Revelation yes, but uses Gemetria to add mystic powers and meanings as Gemetria was used around biblical times. One thing important to remember John wrote down Revelation During the vision, and was stranded on an island for death, so sneaking it past Roman Censors wouldn't have any value.

Also At this time Rome was at war with Christians killing them on spot, wether you believe the date of Revelation is 63-70 ad to 90 ad "so the book of Revelation it's self would be against Rome and the whole book would need to be be censored in that logic, there would be no reason for John to use Gemetria. Gematria is not something God would use or allow it to be used in the bible. You said the John wrote revelation under influence of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not inspire witchcraft, so He would not inspire gemetria.

[SteveK1]

The beast nation is Rome during the time of Jesus, that's how it was able to make war with the Lamb. The "Beast" character is Nero Casear himself.

The Number 666 is a historical numerology Herbrew geneology tracker. It was and still is in use these days. During the history of the Hebrew people they were taken numerous times into captivity and so not to loose their geneology they assigned every character in the Hebrew alphabet a number. These numbers were applied to peoples names.

Although a very needed preserver during it's times in captivity, this numerology is still used as a game in Israel.

The number 666 when calculated, literally spells out Nero Casear.

This is a matter of fact and not a matter of interpretation.

Therefore, it brings about a clearer understanding of who the characters are in revelation. The beast nation is Rome under the Beast Cesar.

That is why Daniel was told to seal the books and John the revelator was told to open them.