John 8:44?

[EricH]

Recently I was pm a message which stated something like this even satan can tell the truth if it hurt us. Something I have always agreed with but tonight John 8:44 came to mind which states:

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

So does this verse mean the devil can never tell the truth or am I reading to much in it? Please any help especially supported by the Scriptures would be much appreciated.

I don't think it means he can never tell the truth. he is just the originator of untruth. His best tactic is to mix truth with lies (just like in the garden)

[logos7]

Hey,

My reference was:

Mat 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

I've always been bothered by Satan's having used God's word against Jesus. Jesus, of course, being the Word of God, used His word to combat Satan. I'm not as wise as Jesus so I've always wondered if I'll be deceived by someone using the Word of God. We see examples of it all the time-televangelists that use His word to "convict" you to send in money (not all of them! just some of them!), ministers that use God's word to manipulate people into doing things God's word specifically says not to do (Jonestown, Applewhite, etc.) I don't want to get drawn into something that uses God's word to blind me to the true path by "mis-directing" my path onto one that looks like Jesus, but isn't.

2Ki 18:28 Then Rabshakeh stood and cried with a loud voice in the Jews' language, and spake, saying, Hear the word of the great king, the king of Assyria:

2Ki 18:29 Thus saith the king, Let not Hezekiah deceive you: for he shall not be able to deliver you out of his hand:

2Ki 18:30 Neither let Hezekiah make you trust in the LORD, saying, The LORD will surely deliver us, and this city shall not be delivered into the hand of the king of Assyria.

2Ki 18:31 Hearken not to Hezekiah: for thus saith the king of Assyria, Make an agreement with me by a present, and come out to me, and then eat ye every man of his own vine, and every one of his fig tree, and drink ye every one the waters of his cistern:

2Ki 18:32 Until I come and take you away to a land like your own land, a land of corn and wine, a land of bread and vineyards, a land of oil olive and of honey, that ye may live, and not die: and hearken not unto Hezekiah, when he persuadeth you, saying, The LORD will deliver us.

2Ki 18:33 Hath any of the gods of the nations delivered at all his land out of the hand of the king of Assyria?

No one that we read about followed Rabshakeh, but when I read this, the words in red bold stood out in neon. I don't want to come out to a land like my own-I want the one God Himself promised me. Jesus said that our way is narrow and few find it. I want to be one who does. I know I'll stumble along the way and make my mistakes. Bless my Lord and Savior He tries our hearts!

You've started a very good thread...thanks logos! I hope I didn't hurt you.

No problem Stormy this came to my mind a couple of days after reading your message, but your message was very good. And it just pop in my head, but got some good counsel so far.

Proverbs 11:14

Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

[stormy612]

Yep. Good indeed. It's helping me too.