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Jesus said to them (the Disciples),

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Jack has taken scripture out of context again. He is taking scripture out of it's meaningful places and creating his own picture. Please, don't take Jack's word for it, do your own through study. Read much before and after each verse he points to in order to see what the scripture is talking about. You may even need to read a chapter or two before in Revelation to get a full picture of what God said.

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Perhaps you can get us started?

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Perhaps you can get us started?

Sure ...

Your quote started out as follows:

Jesus said to them (the Disciples),

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OneLight, thanks for taking the time to respond. I have forwarded your response to Mr. Kelley. Hopefully he will respond. I will be sure to post it when he does.

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OneLight, here is the reply from Mr. Kelley:

I don't engage in debates or rebuttals. I've made my position clear and provided references to back up my conclusions. Most people who study them with an open mind will see the logic in what I've written. Those who don't are welcome to disagree.

Lord bless,

Jack

I happen to agree with Mr. Kelley and his work. I believe that what he presents is inspired by the Holy Spirit. I am not here to defend or rebut what he has presented. I post his material, with permission, for the information of those who choose to read it. Once read, anyone is free to disagree and to indeed rebut whatever position Mr. Kelley takes on any given issue. In fact, if one so chooses, they may go to the GraceThruFaith website and address any questions, concerns or rebuttals to Mr. Kelley directly. I always provide a link to the material that he presents for that purpose.

Again, thank you for your responses.

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OneLight, here is the reply from Mr. Kelley:

I don't engage in debates or rebuttals. I've made my position clear and provided references to back up my conclusions. Most people who study them with an open mind will see the logic in what I've written. Those who don't are welcome to disagree.

Lord bless,

Jack

I happen to agree with Mr. Kelley and his work. I believe that what he presents is inspired by the Holy Spirit. I am not here to defend or rebut what he has presented. I post his material, with permission, for the information of those who choose to read it. Once read, anyone is free to disagree and to indeed rebut whatever position Mr. Kelley takes on any given issue. In fact, if one so chooses, they may go to the GraceThruFaith website and address any questions, concerns or rebuttals to Mr. Kelley directly. I always provide a link to the material that he presents for that purpose.

Again, thank you for your responses.

My concerns are with those who read it here. Mr. Kelly will not engage in any debate or rebuttal, so going to his site to discuss the matter is a waste of time, by his own words. I am curious as to why you, since you believe in what he says, will not rebut what I say? Anyone can say anything ... it is the proof that people seek, not the word of man.

You ask me to get it started ... then you drop the ball when Jack does not speak for you? Tell me, what is your take on my statement against his theory beside you agree with Jack? Can you back Jack's statement up with scripture to show where he is right and I am wrong?

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Then, Jack again searches for a word and takes a verse out of the middle of a teaching to create his own when he quotes Acts 3:21. Jack quotes the verse stating "He (Jesus) must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything" which is a wrong translation of scripture. If Christ has to remain in heaven until all things are restored, who comes back for His church at the end of the tribulation, rules the earth 1000 years before satan is cast into the lake of fire and brimstone. The correct translation is "whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time." Must remain is not the same as must receive.

You and Jack are using different translations.

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whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.

New International Version

He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

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Then, Jack again searches for a word and takes a verse out of the middle of a teaching to create his own when he quotes Acts 3:21. Jack quotes the verse stating "He (Jesus) must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything" which is a wrong translation of scripture. If Christ has to remain in heaven until all things are restored, who comes back for His church at the end of the tribulation, rules the earth 1000 years before satan is cast into the lake of fire and brimstone. The correct translation is "whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time." Must remain is not the same as must receive.

You and Jack are using different translations.

New American Standard

whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.

New International Version

He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

All the better to look back to what the Greek said, which is "to-receive", G1209. When one word can change the meaning that much, there will be false teachings spoken.

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OneLight, here is the reply from Mr. Kelley:

I don't engage in debates or rebuttals. I've made my position clear and provided references to back up my conclusions. Most people who study them with an open mind will see the logic in what I've written. Those who don't are welcome to disagree.

Lord bless,

Jack

I happen to agree with Mr. Kelley and his work. I believe that what he presents is inspired by the Holy Spirit. I am not here to defend or rebut what he has presented. I post his material, with permission, for the information of those who choose to read it. Once read, anyone is free to disagree and to indeed rebut whatever position Mr. Kelley takes on any given issue. In fact, if one so chooses, they may go to the GraceThruFaith website and address any questions, concerns or rebuttals to Mr. Kelley directly. I always provide a link to the material that he presents for that purpose.

Again, thank you for your responses.

it seems that some who cannot win a debate will not engage in debate :24:

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