Can a christian believe in evolution?

[jcm]

First of all this is not a thread to debate the merits or lack thereof of creation vs. evolution. (There's another thread for that )

I just want to ask your opinions if christians can believe in evolution and if there are any here who do.

[BobTriez]

First of all this is not a thread to debate the merits or lack thereof of creation vs. evolution. (There's another thread for that )

I just want to ask your opinions if christians can believe in evolution and if there are any here who do.

In my opinion ? No.....evolution DEPENDS on death to bring about life - and God never intended to use death to bring about life . Romans 5:12 says that death entered the world through Adam's transgression....So to me personally ? Evolution & creation are simply incompatible if you align them with scripture.

That's my short version on this debate and it's as deep as I care to get on this....

God bless,

Bob

[Sojc]

In my opinion I'd say yes and no.

I do believe that god created all creatures that there are today as they are today. I also am inclined to say the earth is not as old as it is believed by most. However my knowledge of geology and the way the earth weathers makes it hard for me to believe the earth is only 6000 years old.

I do however also know that animals can change with DNA information in the species.

Just look at how many variations and breeds there are of dogs. They vary from a great dane to a chihuahua. We know that most of these dogs did breeds did not exist even when christ was on earth. I do not however believe that something can go from having no DNA to having some DNA or go from having no cellular strutures to having cellular structures.

Edited August 22, 2004 by Sojc

[Old Timer]

I don

[alecia]

I dont believe in macro evolution but I believe in micro evolution, which is very different and is a God given ability.. Like desert people are able to develop dark skin as a genetic trait, and snow animals can have white fur. Its minor adaptations to the environment, and NOT fish evolving into people or monkeys into people or amoebas into multi-celled organisms...

[alecia]

And also, based on the theory of magnetic field decay, which seems to be the most logical, I would say the earth is not even -possibly- older than 10,000 years.. and thats a realy old estimate, Im only saying it is NOT older than 10k years but is most likely younger, probably between 6 and 8 thousand years.

Anyway, to get back on topic, define evolution.

Theres a bajilion theories.. evolution from fish, evolution from lizards, evolution from monkeys, hybrid creationist/evolutionist theories where God 'helped' us evolve from amoebas, and.. blah.

But really.. I believe God created man, and animals. He just made them, he didnt evolve them from something.. one moment they were not there, and the next moment they were created. The bible does not seem to support macro evolution in any way so... I dont see why a christian would believe it.

Edited August 22, 2004 by alecia

[irishcowboy]

if you do not believe in one aspect of the Bible, then you might as well not believe in any of it.... for each and every part of the Bible, backs its self up with other parts of the Bible...

we can not choose and pick what we want to believe in Gods Word...

if we start taking parts of it out, then it will not hold up..... that includes Creation....

the only evolution is the kind ( macro, i believe ) that is where a woman and a man produce children..... the children are then a mix between the mother and the father..... no new creatures, but veriations of the existing.....

man with dark skin and dark hair, mother with light skin and light hair

child 1, dark skin, dark curly hair

child 2, light skin, dark curly hair

child 3, dark skin dark straight hair

child 4, light skin, dark straight hair

and so forth..... each child carries all the information for all the combinations and even mixtures of the combination...

child 5 medium dark skin, light straight hair,

child 6 medium dark skin, light curly hair

child 7 medium dark skin, dark straight hair,

child 8 medium dark skin dark curly hair....

and this can continue on with every trait that each of the parents have....

dont matter how many veriations there are, they are still of the same spieces....

even if two of the children that have the most desirable traits that they like, have children, and they have children and so forth, all you will come up with is a more stable set of traits that will be less likely to have some of the other traits coming thru......

a friend of mine has a peticular hunting dog, that is bread for contest, but his dog is an off colour, which they normally put down as soon as they know the colour, for these dogs are suppose to be a specific colour, and they do not want the colour to change, but being they all came from some dog stock somewhere, there are still traits that come thru, even many generations later......

all the dogs that have been bread and rebread, are still just dogs, they have not turned into lions or chimps or people......

so

how can one that believes in any of the Bible.... any of it..... believe in evolution???

and if they do, which parts of the Word of God are they throwing out in order that they might believe the way they want to?

mike

[alecia]

That would be micro evolution

Macro evolution is an entire change of species, from ape into man or whatever.

Micro evolution is minor changes in traits, skin and hair color, height, things like that, but the species is still effectively the same.

I believe micro evolution to be a gift from God, placed into every living thing so that its offspring can adapt and diversify.

But anyways.. I agree with you, MAcro evolution isnt in the bible afaik and goes against how the bible says the world was created. Therefore a christian should not believe in it.

Im sorry I brought micro vs. macro into the issue.. I just wanted to clarify what we really mean when we say 'evolution' because both are forms of evolution. I know its an issue of semantics, but semantics are important.. if we did not pay attention to semantics, the bible would not mean the same thing that it did when it was written. (like some of the new versions that Ive heard are around that totally destroy the spirit of the word.. they have changed the meanings in those versions..)

Edited August 22, 2004 by alecia

[Jacqueline]

For me there is no room in my heart to believe in evolution. To do so would be to believe that life started by chance when God said that He created all life. I see so many ways in which God proves that He is our creater and yet man is determine and set to ignore the signs. My sister use to live in Palm dale where as I live in Los Angeles. We were on our way back to LA and as we drove down we pasted a row of mountains that seemed out of place to the cities at emerged around it.

As I stared at it my sisters daughter made a comment like it looks like those mountains was under water. I smiled and said your right. I thought about it for a moment before noah and the flood entered my mind and I said to her it was under water. Back in noahs days remember God flooded the whole world.

I see those mountain as just other sign of God's great Hand. In everything that He does He leaves His finger print for us to see and yet we, man seemed so ful of who we think we are that we tent to ignore it.

God Bless

Jacqueline

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Bob Triez,

In my opinion ? No.....evolution DEPENDS on death to bring about life - and God never intended to use death to bring about life . Romans 5:12 says that death entered the world through Adam's transgression....So to me personally ? Evolution & creation are simply incompatible if you align them with scripture.

I agree with your conclusion, but not the method you use to arrive at it. Evolutionists believe that "life comes from NOTHING", not "death" as you state. Point of fact, the only way we might have life, IS TO DIE:

Pardon the use of the word "fool", I certainly am not applying that to you:

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Blessings Brother,

Dad Ernie