The Rapture

[georgesbluegirl]

The Left Behind series woke a lot of people up to the reality of "end times" even if the scenario was, necessarily, imaginative.

Cool if you believe the letter of Revelations (personally I believe we should live every day like it's the last)...but why did there have to be such blatant attacks on another Christian Church?

Edited September 3, 2004 by georgesbluegirl

[irishcowboy]

i say study it for ones self, not only the book of revelation, but also daniel, and all the other prophets, for if you stick strictly with revelation, you will not have the most complete view of the end times..... they are all tied together.... there is no one single verse or chapter that has all the information in it.....

personally, i believe, the rapture is pre trib, for the simple fact is that if it was mid or post, we would be able to pin point the time that it is..... the prophecies that are given in the Bible point to the end, not to the rapture, and I believe that all the prophecies that are required to be fulfilled prior to the rapture have already been done, the rest can either fall before or after the rapture and some are specificlly after the rapture.......

so, as was stated above, it is best to live each and every minute of each and every day as if it were the last minute of the last day before the rapture.... there is no time to delay.......

also, something to think about.... the great tribulation period, will not be for those that have not walked with God, this will be for those that have not walked with Him.... and it will be a time of survival.... if a person could not walk with God during good times... how do they expect to be able to walk with God during times of turmoil and in fact, the worse times this earth has ever known..... what makes a person even think they could do that????? if it is tooo hard to follow Christ now, it will be multiplied that much more harder to follow Him then.....

best advice...... BE READY NOW and stay ready...

mike

[Guest koppen]

i say study it for ones self, not only the book of revelation, but also daniel, and all the other prophets, for if you stick strictly with revelation, you will not have the most complete view of the end times..... they are all tied together.... there is no one single verse or chapter that has all the information in it.....

personally, i believe, the rapture is pre trib, for the simple fact is that if it was mid or post, we would be able to pin point the time that it is..... the prophecies that are given in the Bible point to the end, not to the rapture, and I believe that all the prophecies that are required to be fulfilled prior to the rapture have already been done, the rest can either fall before or after the rapture and some are specificlly after the rapture.......

so, as was stated above, it is best to live each and every minute of each and every day as if it were the last minute of the last day before the rapture.... there is no time to delay.......

also, something to think about.... the great tribulation period, will not be for those that have not walked with God, this will be for those that have not walked with Him.... and it will be a time of survival.... if a person could not walk with God during good times... how do they expect to be able to walk with God during times of turmoil and in fact, the worse times this earth has ever known..... what makes a person even think they could do that????? if it is tooo hard to follow Christ now, it will be multiplied that much more harder to follow Him then.....

best advice...... BE READY NOW and stay ready...

mike

LOrd come quickly!

[dwinkjr]

i say study it for ones self, not only the book of revelation, but also daniel, and all the other prophets, for if you stick strictly with revelation, you will not have the most complete view of the end times..... they are all tied together.... there is no one single verse or chapter that has all the information in it.....

personally, i believe, the rapture is pre trib, for the simple fact is that if it was mid or post, we would be able to pin point the time that it is..... the prophecies that are given in the Bible point to the end, not to the rapture, and I believe that all the prophecies that are required to be fulfilled prior to the rapture have already been done, the rest can either fall before or after the rapture and some are specificlly after the rapture.......

so, as was stated above, it is best to live each and every minute of each and every day as if it were the last minute of the last day before the rapture.... there is no time to delay.......

also, something to think about.... the great tribulation period, will not be for those that have not walked with God, this will be for those that have not walked with Him.... and it will be a time of survival.... if a person could not walk with God during good times... how do they expect to be able to walk with God during times of turmoil and in fact, the worse times this earth has ever known..... what makes a person even think they could do that????? if it is tooo hard to follow Christ now, it will be multiplied that much more harder to follow Him then.....

best advice...... BE READY NOW and stay ready...

mike

:t:

Amen Brother!!!

[Guest markh]

I believe that we as believers are the Bride of Christ as stated in the Bible. The Bride of Christ is not mentioned in the Tribulation portion of Revelation. Why? Because we are not there we are in heaven with Jesus. In this period is the Judgement Seat of Christ. Then we return with Him for the Millenial reign. I apologise if I offend anyone, it's just what I believe.

Mark

[Adstar]

Last trumpet rapture here

1 Corrinthians15: 49,54

49And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

Here Paul is saying that as we inhabit earthly bodies derived from dust so shall we inhabit new bodies changed and not made of dust. Paul goes on to explain why:

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

So the bodies that we inhabit cannot enter the Kingdom of God and also "corruption" dead bodies must also be changed also. Then Paul reveals a mystery:

51Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

So Paul is saying that "we shall not all sleep" now I hope everyone can agree that he is talking about physical death here? Paul is saying not everyone will experience physical death. He goes on to say that "we shall all be changed" both the dead and the living "in a moment", now at this point it could be argued that both the dead and the living could be changed in a moment in time, but at different times. That is to say the moment is only referring to the time it takes to change, not at the same moment. But we read on and Paul states the moment will be. "in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet." So not only shall both the living and the dead be changed to inherit the Kingdom of God But they will both change at the same moment, at the last trumpet. As He goes on to say "For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." Paul goes on to explain it in more detail:

53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory.

So here again we see Paul referring to the two states of being that the saints will be in at the time of the 1st Resurrection/Rapture "So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality," Dead saints and living saints caught up together in a twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet.

So from what I have read the first resurrection and the rapture (although different experiences for them that take part) will happen at the same instant in time at the last trumpet.

So now we go on to the next scripture:

Revelation10: 7

7but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.

Now the sounding of the seventh Angel is the last of a series of seven trumpets in revelation. Note that the scripture says the "Mystery of God would be finished" now the coming of the Messiah has been described by scripture at a coming in the sky (a darkened sky) and all people will see Him. Now after this event there will be on ifs or buts about the Mystery of God because all will see that God is and who He is. Everyone will know from that moment on, there will be no Mystery left. As for the darkening of the sky this is described as happening beforehand on the sounding of the forth trumpet:

Revelation8: 12

12 Then the fourth angel sounded: And a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them were darkened. A third of the day did not shine, and likewise the night.

O well thats my 2 cents worth Brethern

Blessings to you all

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