So Just How Old IS The Father Of The Human Race?

[Guest]

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2 Timothy 3:5

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

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Blessings,

to know the power of the Living God you need to start at the beginning.

So is that a yes or a no then?

That Is A Yes For Sister Rebekah

Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is. Deuteronomy 10:14

And A Disgraceful No For The Hunter Of Little Children

But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13

A Shameless Denier Of God's Word

But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:14-17

The Holy Bible

And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. Genesis 1:20-23

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Sometimes Honestly I Think There Are Some Among The Flock Who Actually Believe There Is No God In Heaven

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. Romans 3:3-4

Or Perhaps They Assume That God Is Deaf And Blind

Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. Ecclesiastes 8:11

And They Are Free To Mock

But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Jude 1:10

But Then I Remember

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

That God Is God

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, Genesis 2:1-4

And I Am Not

So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:27-30

Be Blessed Beloved Of The LORD

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Guest]

I trust you will forgive the intrusion, but I have a question: is there some way to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that those "computer models" might actually be factual? Without going into Scripture to do so?

I think so. All I have to do is look at the year on a Hebrew calendar and pretty much know that man has lived for roughly 5,771 years. And I don't even have to do anything scientific to prove that.

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for thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth. Deuteronomy 14:2

[Believer112]

OK, so out of this primordial soup came man and every species of life on earth. Which came first male or female or together? I

[Believer112]

Just thought of something. Maybe the soup was intelligent and put all the species out at the proper time. You athiests have an extremely strong faith in your religion.

[MorningGlory]

I trust you will forgive the intrusion, but I have a question: is there some way to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that those "computer models" might actually be factual? Without going into Scripture to do so?

I think so. All I have to do is look at the year on a Hebrew calendar and pretty much know that man has lived for roughly 5,771 years. And I don't even have to do anything scientific to prove that.

a.

That's true, if you want to believe that the earth is 5,771 years old there is nothing at all preventing you from using a literal interpretation of the Bible to do so. However, if you want anyone else to care about your opinion you need to be able to support it with evidence. Is not God the author of both the bible and the universe? If so, then if Genesis is a literal account of earth's history it should line up with earth's actual history, yet this is clearly not the case. That's why YECs have to resort to things like creating obviously flawed models that predict all rabbits went extinct thousands of years ago and then present it as if it actually models reality. They are banking on your ignorance, don't prove them right.

Lurker

So you're telling Anita that those who base their theories and beliefs on the Bible are liars.........and that SHE is ignorant. What a charmer you are, Lurker.

[anitarose]

I trust you will forgive the intrusion, but I have a question: is there some way to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that those "computer models" might actually be factual? Without going into Scripture to do so?

I think so. All I have to do is look at the year on a Hebrew calendar and pretty much know that man has lived for roughly 5,771 years. And I don't even have to do anything scientific to prove that.

a.

That's true, if you want to believe that the earth is 5,771 years old there is nothing at all preventing you from using a literal interpretation of the Bible to do so. However, if you want anyone else to care about your opinion you need to be able to support it with evidence. Is not God the author of both the bible and the universe? If so, then if Genesis is a literal account of earth's history it should line up with earth's actual history, yet this is clearly not the case. That's why YECs have to resort to things like creating obviously flawed models that predict all rabbits went extinct thousands of years ago and then present it as if it actually models reality. They are banking on your ignorance, don't prove them right.

Lurker

So you're telling Anita that those who base their theories and beliefs on the Bible are liars.........and that SHE is ignorant. What a charmer you are, Lurker.

Wow...I'm ignorant...I never knew that....so much for my going to school and trying to gain an education, because obviously it's not worth it---and all because Lurker (and the name fits well, BTW) says that I'm ignorant. Wow...

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[RebekahDavid]

.... If you'd like to have your error explained to you by....

Some Know Not The Power Of The Living God

That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 1 Corinthians 2:5

But Think They Are Very Wise

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

That no flesh should glory in his presence. 1 Corinthians 1:27-29

But Jesus Is The Glory

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. 1 Corinthians 1:30-31

Of The Believer

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1

You

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:1-3

See

In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. John 1:4-5

So to "know" the power of the living God one must accept....

That Jesus Is LORD

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 4:11

And Men Are Totally Not

How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. Jude 1:18-19

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You Are Loved

And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. Romans 5:5

Believe

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 1 Corinthians 12:3

Believe

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Roman 10:9-10

And Be Blessed Beloved

He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet.

And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.

And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies.

Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled.

The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice.

And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them.

And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

He sent from above, he took me; he drew me out of many waters;

He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them that hated me: for they were too strong for me.

They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the LORD was my stay.

He brought me forth also into a large place: he delivered me, because he delighted in me.

The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness: according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.

For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.

For all his judgments were before me: and as for his statutes, I did not depart from them.

I was also upright before him, and have kept myself from mine iniquity.

Therefore the LORD hath recompensed me according to my righteousness; according to my cleanness in his eye sight.

With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful, and with the upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright.

With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself unsavoury.

And the afflicted people thou wilt save: but thine eyes are upon the haughty, that thou mayest bring them down.

For thou art my lamp, O LORD: and the LORD will lighten my darkness. 2 Samuel 22:10-29

Love, Joe

[MorningGlory]

I trust you will forgive the intrusion, but I have a question: is there some way to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that those "computer models" might actually be factual? Without going into Scripture to do so?

I think so. All I have to do is look at the year on a Hebrew calendar and pretty much know that man has lived for roughly 5,771 years. And I don't even have to do anything scientific to prove that.

a.

That's true, if you want to believe that the earth is 5,771 years old there is nothing at all preventing you from using a literal interpretation of the Bible to do so. However, if you want anyone else to care about your opinion you need to be able to support it with evidence. Is not God the author of both the bible and the universe? If so, then if Genesis is a literal account of earth's history it should line up with earth's actual history, yet this is clearly not the case. That's why YECs have to resort to things like creating obviously flawed models that predict all rabbits went extinct thousands of years ago and then present it as if it actually models reality. They are banking on your ignorance, don't prove them right.

Lurker

So you're telling Anita that those who base their theories and beliefs on the Bible are liars.........and that SHE is ignorant. What a charmer you are, Lurker.

Wow...I'm ignorant...I never knew that....so much for my going to school and trying to gain an education, because obviously it's not worth it---and all because Lurker (and the name fits well, BTW) says that I'm ignorant. Wow...

a.

You are NOT ignorant because you believe God and His Creation.....even if you were, you would be in the company of all true believers. Those that spout evolution of 'monkeys to man' or abiogenesis are not believers. IMO, they are here to try to influence those of us who trust in a higher authority. Of course, they will never achieve their ends. They are totally wasting time and keystrokes while fooling no one.

[Believer112]

OK, so out of this primordial soup came man and every species of life on earth. Which came first male or female or together? I'm assuming they popped out together or one of them would have to wait hundreds of years to mate. What did the carnivores eat? Did they hang out at the soup and eat up a millions other species that could inhabit this planet. Which came first the chicken or the egg? Thank goodness fish came after man. If fish would have formed first there would be no life on this planet but fish. Why does all these species mate with their own kind? What did the plant eaters eat as stuff was oozing out? Did plants come from this soup also, No couldn't't have. There would have to be a lot bowls of soup everywhere. Maybe seeds fell from heaven, oops no heaven. Abiogenesis??? Scientists are still scratching their heads over this theory.

I would suggest you look up some things about evolution before you talk too much about it online. Not to be mean, but your understanding of evolution and abiogenesis is severely lacking. For starters, and to tackle one of the most common misconceptions, evolution happens at the population level and not at the individual level; individuals don't evolve, only populations do. You are not going to get a lone carnivore, rather entire populations of carnivores that live in an entire ecosystem among entire other populations and species. Another thing to notice is that evolution (as a general rule) works with small changes over long periods of time. So nothing in evolution allows "soup" or one kind of creature to pop out something completely different. Your scenarios are either explained in evolution or are straw-man versions of evolution/abiogenesis.

In terms of abiogenesis scientists have made significant progress and are progressing more and more all the time. One of the easiest things to make is a simple cell membrane (drop some lipids in water, essentially). Scientists have synthesized the 4/5 bases of DNA/RNA abiotically. If you're really interested look for a video on youtube by cdk007, "The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis - Dr. Jack Szostak".

Just thought of something. Maybe the soup was intelligent and put all the species out at the proper time. You athiests have an extremely strong faith in your religion.

What about people who accept both evolution and Christianity? About half of scientists are like this, and the Clergy Letter Project has the signatures of thousands of Christian clergy that accept evolution? Evolution is hardly atheistic.

D-9

I admit it

[Guest]

Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day,

every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes. Deuteronomy 12:8

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.... That's why YECs have to resort to things like creating obviously flawed models.....

Sometimes Dear One

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:1-3

This Pride In The Fables Of Bible Hating Unbelievers Is Just Jaw Droppingly Sad

Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? Isaiah 45:9

Which Leads To The "Natural" Question, Just What Are Sinners Saved From

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:47-48

And That Leads To The Next Question

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

Where Is The Believer's Home

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:1-3

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God Is Real

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16

And His Book Is True

And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:3-4

One Will Believe

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:22

Or One Is Through

These little ones believe in me. It would be best for the person who causes one of them to lose faith to be thrown into the sea with a large stone hung around his neck. Mark 9:42 (GOD'S WORD Translation)

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Believe

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe