Women and Silence Help

[benjamin-benjamin]

I am using my husbands account...Can anyone speak to 1 Cor 14:34 and 1 Timothy 2:11 regarding women and silence?

[JCISGD]

I am using my husbands account...Can anyone speak to 1 Cor 14:34 and 1 Timothy 2:11 regarding women and silence?

Before i was a christian i was a "new age" share the roles man, and was raised a athiest, having no church experience or bible knowledge till i was 28 yrs old.

1 Tim 2:13+14 give us the reason of this command and Paul says in 1 Cor 14:37 that the command comes directly from Jesus, if anyone wants to argue otherwise i dont see how. The cultural arguement believed by some is refuted by 1 Tim 2:13+14.

Unfortunatley many cults and carnal christians have given this subject a bad rap, and distorted its purpose and reasons.

But let us reason among ourselves. Jesus always treated women fairly and respectfully, so we know that this is not a rigid "shut your mouth women, im the superior being" command, nor is it that women dont hear from God or are not to have a voice, as we know there are women prophets, and Deborah was a Judge in Israel.

But because women and men are different in our pshycological and physiological make up, it can cause unprofitable meetings if there is debate over doctrine or practice. God is a God of order and has commanded that women ask their husbands at home rather than join in debates.

Women need to remain under the headship of men for a covering and protection against the fallen angels, this is just how God has ordered things for the smooth running of His kingdom. Those who will not heed sound doctrine expose themselves to error and decieving spirits. Men too can be decieved and we must remain under Christs headship and be submitted to other men who God has placed in our lives for our protection and covering.

But we are in the last days and what was accepted for about the last 1900 years is now being thrown out by many.

[Fez]

I am using my husbands account...Can anyone speak to 1 Cor 14:34 and 1 Timothy 2:11 regarding women and silence?

Before i was a christian i was a "new age" share the roles man, and was raised a athiest, having no church experience or bible knowledge till i was 28 yrs old.

1 Tim 2:13+14 give us the reason of this command and Paul says in 1 Cor 14:37 that the command comes directly from Jesus, if anyone wants to argue otherwise i dont see how. The cultural arguement believed by some is refuted by 1 Tim 2:13+14.

Unfortunatley many cults and carnal christians have given this subject a bad rap, and distorted its purpose and reasons.

But let us reason among ourselves. Jesus always treated women fairly and respectfully, so we know that this is not a rigid "shut your mouth women, im the superior being" command, nor is it that women dont hear from God or are not to have a voice, as we know there are women prophets, and Deborah was a Judge in Israel.

But because women and men are different in our pshycological and physiological make up, it can cause unprofitable meetings if there is debate over doctrine or practice. God is a God of order and has commanded that women ask their husbands at home rather than join in debates.

Women need to remain under the headship of men for a covering and protection against the fallen angels, this is just how God has ordered things for the smooth running of His kingdom. Those who will not heed sound doctrine expose themselves to error and decieving spirits. Men too can be decieved and we must remain under Christs headship and be submitted to other men who God has placed in our lives for our protection and covering.

But we are in the last days and what was accepted for about the last 1900 years is now being thrown out by many.

Good luck with this post brother

[wyguy]

1 Corinthians 14:34 The context of this verse concerns prophecy, but includes the general theme of the chapter, i.e., "tongues." Rather than leading, they are to be submissive as God's Word makes clear. Apparently, certain woman were out of order in disruptively asking questions publicly in the chaotic services.

1 Timothy 2:11 Paul explains his meaning in verse 12: Women are to be silent by not teaching, and they are to demonstrate submission by not usurping the authority of the pastors or elders.

- The MacArthur Study Bible

[JCISGD]

Good luck with this post brother

I did resist it for quite awhile but it seemed no one was man enough to front up.

[RebekahDavid]

Good luck with this post brother

I did resist it for quite awhile but it seemed no one was man enough to front up.

yup i would have posted but i am a female

love your sister in Christ,

Rebekah David

[Rick-Parker]

1 Corinthians 14:34 "(a)Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;" In churches at that time, men and women did not normally sit together, but rather on opposite sides of the room; the women would call out to their husbands asking for an explanation concerning certain things, which was interrupting the services.

(b)"but they are commanded to be under obedience as also says the law." This refers back to Genesis 3:16 ("Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in sorrow you shall bring forth children; and your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you.") and the Creation model.

1 Timothy 2:11 "(a)Let the woman learn in silence" it's meaning is made clear in the above Scripture (b)"with all subjection." Ephesians 5:22-25 gives meaning to the second part: 22: "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, (the Holy Spirit is relating to the spiritual leadership of the family) as unto the Lord." (First of all, the submission to be to the Lord as Lord and Master, and not to the husband. If the wife properly submits to the Lord, she will properly submit to her husband as it regards spiritual leadership, that is if he knows the Lord. If he doesn't know the Lord, such submission cannot be given.) 23: "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Savior of the body." Although the husband cannot be the savior of his wife, he can be her protector and provider. 24: "Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ (as its head), so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing." This presumes that the husband is conducting himself even as Christ would. For a proper application of this teaching, we as husbands must apply this last verse to ourselves 25: "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it..." Our love must be with a God kind of love. This verse presents to us the qualifier; if a husband conducts himself accordingly (as Christ did for His Bride) toward his wife, she will have no problem submitting to him. We men also forget sometimes, to consider verse 28: "So ought men love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself." This verse proclaims that husbands and wives are of one flesh and are one in the sacred union of marriage.

Well, that's my bit.

[exrockstar]

I am using my husbands account...Can anyone speak to 1 Cor 14:34 and 1 Timothy 2:11 regarding women and silence?

I believe that it's short for "no women pastors." It didn't occur in the Old Testamnet and it extends into the New.

[rickrussell]

I am using my husbands account...Can anyone speak to 1 Cor 14:34 and 1 Timothy 2:11 regarding women and silence?

Wives submit to your husbands(singles and divorced to a church-Godly leadership)

Husbands Love your wives as Christ loved the church(as both submit to God)

Edited December 17, 2010 by rickrussell