Why Do Christians Believe the Bible is God's Word

[mjrhealth]

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 5:39

Missed this part, didnt you

Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

In His LOve

The written Word leads us to The Living Word His Son Jesus Christ... We have the written Word and The Holy Spirit within to guide us through this life to Him! He waits and watches just as the time of Stephen's stoning. He stood from His normal theological position of setting on His throne at the witness of His first fruit who would rather testify of the truth that is in Christ than keep His life... I know all this by His Written Word and the Holy Spirit Whom makes it live in my heart.... it actually burns in my heart! Love Steven

So then why is it that you are not sitting at His feet and learning from Him if you alrady know about Him, you have given up the best part for the lesser.

In His Love

[enoob57]

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 5:39

Missed this part, didn't you

Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

In His LOve

The written Word leads us to The Living Word His Son Jesus Christ... We have the written Word and The Holy Spirit within to guide us through this life to Him! He waits and watches just as the time of Stephen's stoning. He stood from His normal theological position of setting on His throne at the witness of His first fruit who would rather testify of the truth that is in Christ than keep His life... I know all this by His Written Word and the Holy Spirit Whom makes it live in my heart.... it actually burns in my heart! Love Steven

So then why is it that you are not sitting at His feet and learning from Him if you already know about Him, you have given up the best part for the lesser.

In His Love

Sir I don't know where you are... but this is the witness of where I am:

I am regenerated with God Himself in The Person of The Holy Spirit within my being in a world I have been delivered from- by that which He Says-

2 Tim 3:13-17

13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

NKJV

this truth sir I am in living witness to and nothing shall pull me away from Scripture for it is all I need ... spoken so by God Himself in this witness before us!

At the beginning of my day I greet my Father in Heaven and The Son and Spirit within and bid Them with thanksgiving that I know Them and that They dwell with me! I sit down and open my heart as to prayer and the reading of Their Word- and life as I have never known flows into my being. Most of the time it overwhelms me into tears and unworthiness for I did not know these wonders existed in this dark place... then I go out into the world and that Word is reinforced to me in the created element of life all around! My mind is attacked and pulled at to think of things of the world itself as though it had life but ever snuggle up to a rock or car or ... but the real beauty, if you let Him within you lead, is the people of God's love... He will guard the sin so that the beauty is seen and sometimes I have to retreat to places so I can weep at what I have witnessed. Ever and always realizing I do not deserve to witness what I am seeing, but I am.... You see in the beginning His Word -The Son of Glory Jesus Christ- created all things and in that Word Gen. through Mal. taught us everything we needed to be ready for the Son, His Living Word, to be Made Flesh Jesus Christ and to testify to The Father a people for Himself now cannoned New Testament... When I die I shall know Him by knowing the Word taught me by The Holy Spirit of my Comfort, my Teacher, my Friend. As I walk with my family here I am being trained to be a citizen in a place where sin has never been nor even considered.... Love Steven

[Guest shiloh357]

You need to understand that the restoration of Israel is the final fulfillment of God's establishment of His kingdom.

Since spiritual restoration has not completed, yet (there are not signs it even started), we cannot consider this

prophecy fulfilled, yet.

I did not say we can claim the entire body of prophecy concerning fulfilled. However, we can examine those prophecies that HAVE been fulfilled and we can see the clear pattern of fulfillment that is presently occurring to see evidence of God's promises being fulfilled.

The best we can say, is that the jury is still out on this one. This is not only my opinion,

but it is shared by many Christians of different denominations.

This is not a court. Truth is not determined by who believes it or not. The prophecies are there being fulfilled in front of you. That is not opinion. It is objective intuitively observed, historical FACT. No attempt on your part to brush it aside will change that.

[MorningGlory]

I am afraid I cannot accept partial fulfillment of prophecies as evidence.

The problem is that many of these prophecies do not have a clear date, when they should be fulfilled.

I'm afraid it doesn't matter whether you accept anything or not....the story of the cosmos and prophecy are not dependent on your agreement. Evidence, indeed......

[Guest shiloh357]

I am afraid I cannot accept partial fulfillment of prophecies as evidence.

I have offered entirely fulfilled prophecies, though. The return to the land in unbelief, the purchase of exact parcels of land, the restoration of the shekel, are examples of fully fulfilled prophecies. And they are precise, to precise to be a guess or cooincidental.

The problem is that many of these prophecies do not have a clear date, when they should be fulfilled.

They don't have to. Again, you are simply looking for ways to move the goal posts. You want evidence, you get evidence and then suddenly, you decide AFTER seeing the evidence that it has to meet certain requirements that did not exist before.

For instance,

if the prophecy had been:

- My people will be reunited again, and this after having suffering horrible pain from an evil nation. This restoration

will take place about two millenia after My Son's visit.

I think you would have a point.

I make another example. Let us suppose that I write a book of prophecies which are clear enough but I do

not set any date on their fulfillment. This book will have, for instance,

- The day will come when a war between China and India will start

- The day will come when a meteorite will wipe out a nation

- The day will come when USA and Canada will be one land

- The day will come when a big flood will kill many people in e certain land

- etc.

If I write enough of them and wait long enough, chance will make some of them coming true.

The problem with that is that the examples I have given are far more precise than your silly little list of examples. They don't need dates because we can point to them with amazing undeniable precision.

No matter what I present, you will invent a list of new requirements in order to move the goal posts so that you don't have to deal with what you can't refute with anything of substance. It only shows your inability to handle the evidence.

[MorningGlory]

The problem with that is that the examples I have given are far more precise than your silly little list of examples. They don't need dates because we can point to them with amazing undeniable precision.

No matter what I present, you will invent a list of new requirements in order to move the goal posts so that you don't have to deal with what you can't refute with anything of substance. It only shows your inability to handle the evidence.

When you're dealing with a sower of discord, nothing you say or do will have any effect on their never ending pursuit of their own reflection. They are not seeking.......they have already FOUND their god.

[Guest shiloh357]

But of course evidence has some requirements:

The problem is that you are trying to make up "requirements" as yo go. Basically, when I present evidence, you dream up in your mind a set of "requirements" that naturally allow you to disqualify anything I present as evidence because you have already decided that you are going to reject naything I present even before it is presented. You have already set yourself to be prejudiced against any piece of evidence.

It shows that you are an intellectually shallow person. You cannot deal with the evidence in an objective, logical fashion.

What you present does not even get close to be called evidence. Real evidence of some real happened events will be acceptable to a Christian, Hindu, Muslim, atheist and they would agree that something happened. Your so called evidence, that the reunion of Israel is the fulfillment of a Prophecy, is not even accepted by all Christians.

The veracity of evidence does not rest on who accepts it as evidence.

That Israel has been reborn as a nation is empirically proven fact.

That Israel purchased the exact land as prophesied is empirically proven fact.

That the shekel is the restored currency of the restored Israel as prophesied is empiriclally proven fact

That the Israelites are being restored in a state of unbelief as prophesied is empirically proven fact.

That Israel is once again a fruitful land as prophesied is empirically proven fact.

That Israel is beseiged by enemy nations as prophesied is empirically proven fact.

That Jerusalem is the chief bone of contention between Israel and the world as prophesied is empirically proven fact.

Those are examples of issues relative to modern Israel that were prophesied to come true and have come true. They have come true EXACTLY as Lord said they would. The exacting degree of precision is beyond dispute.

You have not engaged the specific piecies of evidence I have presented because they are too specific for you to refute

it can convince only the already convinced one.

It can convince a person who is willing to be objective and honest. You are neither.

Spiritual restoration of Israel has not happened yet, and there are not signs that it will ever take place.

Actually, more Jews are coming to know Jesus today than at any time in history since the 1st Century. The congregations of Messianic Jews are growing all of the time. Not as fast as we would like, but it is happening. In fact, there are plenty of signs of Israel's future spiritual restoration. For one thing, the physical restoration is itself a sign, as it precedes the spiritual restoration.

An unbeliever like yourself is not theolocially equipped to know what to look for and is really not qualifed or competent to make any assessment of Israel's spiritual condition.

We have a typical example

of time unlimited prophecies: some happened, some don't. I already showed how to do that without risk of failure.

No, you haven't. LOL That is in just your imagination

If I think about

it, why should God initiate spiritual restoration of Israel at all?

Because He promised it and He keeps His promises.

I thought that they should do that by using their free will.

No one is capabe of initiating a relationship with God. Man is by nature, an enemy of God does what he can to thwart any relationship of God. If God left it up to us, man would never have been redeemed at all.

In any case, come back with this one, when all Jews have become Christians (it will take a while considering that after 2000 years there are still no more than 2% Christians in Israel).

Not really. It can happen in just a few minutes.

As I pointed out before, it is fairly easy to write a set of prophecies, of which some of them might become

eventually true in more than two thousands years.

Yeah, you tried, but you failed. All you have proven is that you don't know beans about prophecy or how it works. The more you try to come up with lame scenarios, the more your ignorance shows. Your "logic" is not very impressive.

But I could do even better, I am actually able to write a list of very precise prophecies (with precise dates!) with a guarantee

that at least 50% of them will get true. One of these prophecies concerns the end of days on 31.12.2012, and I can

mathematically prove that at least 50% of them will come true. It is not so difficult to be a prophet.

The problem is that biblical standard for being a prophet is 100% accuracy. If only 50% ever come true, you have failed. You really don't understand what you are talking about.

[nChrist]

Not really. It can happen in just a few minutes.

I guarantee you that the day that Israel will be spiritually restored, I will become a convinced Christian.

But all the Jews I know, are quite happy with their current secular restoration; even though they

do not feel safe at all.

And again, even the parts of this prophecy that match, are not recognized as prophecy fulfillment

by many Christians, either.

Until then, we are still talking of a not 100% score (on this prophecy alone).

Why should God initiates this so-called spiritual restoration is still puzzling, though; if I were a Jew, on judgment day I could say: sorry

that I did not accept Jesus, but You have not initiated spiritual restoration, yet.

Which other evidence would you like to discuss, now?

Try the multiple posts given to you earlier in this thread.

[Guest shiloh357]

I guarantee you that the day that Israel will be spiritually restored, I will become a convinced Christian.

No, you won't. You will respond to that fulfilled prophecy the way you respond to the other prophecies I have shown you that have been fulfilled. You will erect another list of "reasons" that it isn't really fulfilled prophecy. You have been given enough completely fulfilled prophecies that have come to pass in the 20th century within the last 65 years that it is beyond denial, and yet you try to find ways around it. You are a bottomless pit of excuses.

And again, even the parts of this prophecy that match, are not recognized as prophecy fulfillment

by many Christians, either.

Doesn't matter. Not all people who are "Christians" believe the Bible anyway. There are plenty of people who claim to be Christians who reject any part of the Bible that makes them uncomfortable.

Until then, we are still talking of a not 100% score (on this prophecy alone).

Wrong. In terms of Israel's physical restoration, we are speaking of 100% accuracy AND 100% fulfillment.

Why should God initiates this so-called spiritual restoration is still puzzling, though;

No, it is only "puzzling" because you are trying to manufacture problems that don't really exist in order to insulate your mind from the truth.

Which other evidence would you like to discuss, now?

I have provided plenty that you have not even touched.

[nChrist]

Not really. It can happen in just a few minutes.

I guarantee you that the day that Israel will be spiritually restored, I will become a convinced Christian.

But all the Jews I know, are quite happy with their current secular restoration; even though they

do not feel safe at all.

And again, even the parts of this prophecy that match, are not recognized as prophecy fulfillment

by many Christians, either.

Until then, we are still talking of a not 100% score (on this prophecy alone).

Why should God initiates this so-called spiritual restoration is still puzzling, though; if I were a Jew, on judgment day I could say: sorry

that I did not accept Jesus, but You have not initiated spiritual restoration, yet.

Which other evidence would you like to discuss, now?

You haven't touched or even commented on the pages of fulfilled Bible Prophecy given to you in the beginning of this thread - why not?

Instead, you pick on a Bible Prophecy that hasn't been fulfilled yet. We are well aware there are still prophecies to be fulfilled, and God will fulfill every last one of them most perfectly at His Appointed Time. The 100s of already perfectly fulfilled Bible Prophecies are the track record that indicates all will come to pass exactly as stated. The Church which is the Body of Christ hasn't been Raptured YET, but that doesn't mean that it won't be. If you look at just the Bible Prophecies fulfilled perfectly by the Life and Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, the chances of those things taking place as stated would be so huge that you would have to conclude that God's Word is Supernatural. So, go back to the first of the thread and deal with fulfilled Bible Prophecy. If you're still here when all of Israel's Bible Prophecy is fulfilled, it will be too late for you to do anything about your LOST condition.