Why Do atheists Attack Christianity?

[OldEnglishSheepdog]

This whole tangent went really far off topic and I don't see the value in following it through, so I'm going to step out here.

[doubting_tommy]

The origin of the concept and what we currently identify as democracy are two very different things.

They are not particularly different. The main difference is that Athenian democracy (which is probably what we should identify as the original democracy) was direct democracy, whereas most democracies today are representative democracies. In either case, the fundamental essence of democracy is essentially the same- political authority is derived from the members of the polis or citizenry as opposed to oligarchs, tyrants, monarchs, priests, etc.

Egalitarianism is a different concept. Ancient Athens was democratic but it was not an egalitarian society.

I've actually already addressed each point you're making and your retort is filled with straw man fallacies.

I won't bother to restate everything. My answers are already posted here.

You may think you

[doubting_tommy]

I can't see how you could come to that interpretation. That's simply not what's being stated.

Okay, I

[sdktlk]

Why Do atheists Attack Christianity? sure there are peaceful atheist out there but most of them seem to want to try soooooooooooo hard into disproving God like if if there where right the would gain something out of crushing someone else's faith??????? when Christians try to turn someone to God it is out of love rather then hate when MOST atheist try to disprove God it seems they do it to get joy... thats just sad and sorry not to mention why dont the go after other religions as well such as wiccan, jewish, buddhism, hinduism and so on.... even on this board alone there are alot of atheist... why whats the point? if they dont believe in God why not just go on living their life? whats the point in joining a board to try and crush someone's faith?

im sure i will get jumped on for asking this but i truthfully want to know.

We wrestle not against flesh and blood....(Eph 6:12)

[808state]

Sure, but the onus is on you to demonstrate that the article really is giving out false information.

I've read this in so many different places, this was just an article I happened to have close at hand (not necesarily the most definitive source) but if you object then please demonstrate that it's incorrect.

These are the general guidelines:

http://www.academiavita.org/english/AltriDocumenti/org_int/OLANDA/Testo%20legge%20olandese%20eutanasia%5B1%5D.pdf

This focuses on Groningen Protocol with infants:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15702738

But, re-reading the article you posted, does it actually say that patients are being killed against their will?

O, great, just link the retraction then please and I'll withdraw that point.

Thanks.

I'll have to withdraw my point first. Sorry about that.

I submit that when it comes to how we treat others, there are only two ways to interpret the Bible:

1. Reading what it says and accepting what is written; or

2. Distorting what is says for personal gain.

The oft-stated objection that it can say whatever you want it to say is simply neglegent.

Who is to say who is reading it with their heart and who isn't? And we can't disregard the undeniable influence society has had on people interpretation's of the Bible through-out the years. Not to mention, again, there are many different denominations of Christianity with many different interpretations.

[Believer112]

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[Guest]

Why Do Atheists Attack Christianity? Sure there are peaceful Atheist out there but most of them seem to want to try soooooooooooo hard into disproving God like if if they where right they would gain something out of crushing someone else's faith??????? When Christians try to turn someone to God it is out of love rather then hate. When MOST Atheist try to disprove God it seems they do it to get joy... That's just sad and sorry not to mention why don't they go after other religions as well such as Wiccan, Jewish, Buddhism, Hinduism and so on.... Even on this board alone there are a lot of atheist... Why What's the point? If they don't believe in God why not just go on living their life? What's the point in joining a board to try and crush someone's faith?....

Is It Because The Unbeliever Knows

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:20

And So They Rage

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. Psalms 2:1-3

For Their Time

He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. Psalms 2:4-6

Grows Shorter

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36

Yet We Pray

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Matthew 9:13

Mercy LORD~!

In Jesus' Name

Amen

[Believer112]

Why Do Atheists Attack Christianity? Sure there are peaceful Atheist out there but most of them seem to want to try soooooooooooo hard into disproving God like if if they where right they would gain something out of crushing someone else's faith??????? When Christians try to turn someone to God it is out of love rather then hate. When MOST Atheist try to disprove God it seems they do it to get joy... That's just sad and sorry not to mention why don't they go after other religions as well such as Wiccan, Jewish, Buddhism, Hinduism and so on.... Even on this board alone there are a lot of atheist... Why What's the point? If they don't believe in God why not just go on living their life? What's the point in joining a board to try and crush someone's faith?....

Is It Because The Unbeliever Knows

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:20

And So They Rage

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. Psalms 2:1-3

For Their Time

He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. Psalms 2:4-6

Grows Shorter

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36

Yet We Pray

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Matthew 9:13

Mercy LORD~!

In Jesus' Name

Amen

Amen

Wish I could remember scripture like that.

[Matt712]

Why Do atheists Attack Christianity? sure there are peaceful atheist out there but most of them seem to want to try soooooooooooo hard into disproving God like if if there where right the would gain something out of crushing someone else's faith??????? when Christians try to turn someone to God it is out of love rather then hate when MOST atheist try to disprove God it seems they do it to get joy... thats just sad and sorry not to mention why dont the go after other religions as well such as wiccan, jewish, buddhism, hinduism and so on.... even on this board alone there are alot of atheist... why whats the point? if they dont believe in God why not just go on living their life? whats the point in joining a board to try and crush someone's faith?

im sure i will get jumped on for asking this but i truthfully want to know.

This is a story that may be of some interest. I was raised without religious teaching or instruction in a secular home and secular schools. I was an atheist because I knew nothing about God and didn't see why I should care. The first time an overly exuberant believer told me I was in danger of hell, I had to ask what they meant. Even though they explained it in an over the top manner and called me a sinner, I only resented their tone of voice. I was a true atheist, who believed in nothing beyond this life and so I couldn't take offense at a non-existent God. A little later in life I had become an angry cynical teenager. I was a raging agnostic! I hated God, hated being preached to, and hated most other things that had nothing to do with the issue at hand. I couldn't believe that God would allow suffering, condemn anyone, or forgive sins easily at all. Especially mine. I was insecure to the core. About two years ago I began my search for God in earnest and, long story short, wound up as a believer very quickly. The point of all this is that people aren't neccessarily atheist, agnostic, christian etc. Those are just steps on their journey towards God. Seeking union with our creator is as instinctive as a lost child seeking his mother. But don't be surprised if the child, upon finding them, rebukes their parent for 'abandoning' them!!!

Edited February 14, 2011 by Matt712

[OldEnglishSheepdog]

I submit that when it comes to how we treat others, there are only two ways to interpret the Bible:

1. Reading what it says and accepting what is written; or

2. Distorting what is says for personal gain.

The oft-stated objection that it can say whatever you want it to say is simply neglegent.

Who is to say who is reading it with their heart and who isn't? And we can't disregard the undeniable influence society has had on people interpretation's of the Bible through-out the years. Not to mention, again, there are many different denominations of Christianity with many different interpretations.

Sorry, I didn't notice that we were back on topic here.

I didn't say anything about reading with their heart.

I submit that one has to read with their eyes and interpret with their brain.

Certainly there are interpretations that differ and certainly that has a great impact on society, but it doesn't make the plain meaning of the Biblical text any harder to interpret or demonstrate.