Why Do atheists Attack Christianity?

[MorningGlory]

Anglo Saxon societies forbade murder and theft. In fact, I cannot think of a single society, ancient or modern which has not done so.

In any case, most secularists, whether reigious or atheist, would prefer to see a society where the state enforces rules to which all reasonable people could agree. It's not reasonable to expect that a person consents to a law which is justified only if one accepts the veracity of a particular religious text. There are good reasons which will convince any reasonable atheist as to why a society should outlaw theft or murder. Not so when it comes to other issues, like keeping holy a sabbath day, not eating pork, or criminalisation of homosexual acts, etc.

Atheists are not being forced to live by any religious laws that I can see......what exactly is y'all's complaint here? What laws do you object to? The things you mention above are not laws in the U.S. And, btw, all societies living under Sha'ria law allow murder.

[Guest]

Atheists are not being forced to live by any religious laws that I can see......what exactly is y'all's complaint here? What laws do you object to? The things you mention above are not laws in the U.S. And, btw, all societies living under Sha'ria law allow murder.

From what I can see it isn't so much "law", but the laws and rules that the religious right try to enforce and get passed. A classic example is homosexuality; all opposition to gay rights is essentially coming from conservative Christianity. Whatever stance you take it is fairly trivial to notice that it is in large, religiously based. Another is America's stance on the Israeli nation; America is by far pro-Israel (not so much since the end of Bush's term) to the extent that it is based on America's religious ideals. And of course there's always the creation thing trying to force its way into the public school system.

So I see it as more the influence religion has on government policies and such rather than strictly religious laws.....

Truth

I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. Joel 3:2

Will Out

See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever. Deuteronomy 32:39-40

Soon You See

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Revelation 6:14-17

And The "Knowledge" We Pay Mockers

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 1 Timothy 6:20

To Poison Our Children With

But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness. 1 Timothy 4:7

Will Not Save Sinners

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

At The Judgement

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

You See

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Believe

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: John 11:25

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe

[MorningGlory]

From what I can see it isn't so much "law", but the laws and rules that the religious right try to enforce and get passed. A classic example is homosexuality; all opposition to gay rights is essentially coming from conservative Christianity.

That may be true but what about the rest of you? How can you support a disgusting perversion such as homosexuality? Whether you're gay or straight....you will be judged by what you support.

Whatever stance you take it is fairly trivial to notice that it is in large, religiously based. Another is America's stance on the Israeli nation; America is by far pro-Israel (not so much since the end of Bush's term) to the extent that it is based on America's religious ideals. And of course there's always the creation thing trying to force its way into the public school system.

Being pro-Israel is what God expects of believers....what's wrong with that?

So I see it as more the influence religion has on government policies and such rather than strictly religious laws.

I'm for more Christian influence on government, not less. Maybe then we wouldn't be running abortion mills in this country.

[Guest shiloh357]

Another is America's stance on the Israeli nation; America is by far pro-Israel (not so much since the end of Bush's term) to the extent that it is based on America's religious ideals.

The American government is not so pro-Israel. America is a paper ally. Our legslature supports Israel because Israel uses the foreign aid we send them to purchase military equipment and aircrafts from the US and the most staunchest supporters in the legislature hail from states and districts whose constituents depend on those contracts to keep jobs in their area.

The US government does not support Israel beyond Israel's usefulness in keeping the Russians getting ahold of the region.

[nebula]

I try to base my views off of evidence. I know it isn't perfect; we don't know everything and I don't know all that we do know, but I try to have the most rational and pragmatic stances while being an idealist. If God cannot accept my sincerity in the search for truth, then perhaps God doesn't want people to be sincere and just wants mindless followers. And if that is the case, I simply cannot fully support and follow God as He would resemble a tyrant/dictator. In giving us free will coupled with an inquisitive mind, dare I say, God would be quite evil in poising us to oppose His Will than punishing us for it.

The God you are portraying would have no reason to die on the cross.

Why would He have to pay such a high price for us to determine His holiness and righteousness by our own merit?

[Believer112]

I try to base my views off of evidence. I know it isn't perfect; we don't know everything and I don't know all that we do know, but I try to have the most rational and pragmatic stances while being an idealist. If God cannot accept my sincerity in the search for truth, then perhaps God doesn't want people to be sincere and just wants mindless followers. And if that is the case, I simply cannot fully support and follow God as He would resemble a tyrant/dictator. In giving us free will coupled with an inquisitive mind, dare I say, God would be quite evil in poising us to oppose His Will than punishing us for it.

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[Guest HIS girl]

attell60 said...

And during WWII the German army had the following engraving on their belts "Gott mit uns" (God with us), which is a very similar

admission of Christianity. In this particular case, this admission of Christianity, did not bring prosperity but utter destruction.

Therefore, your argument, is a non-sequitur, I am afraid.

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HIS girl....

WWII

Hitler

The murder of millions of Jews

"Gott mit uns"...God with us.........

Do you see the absurdity of this list?

Please atell60, if you must humour me, try to do it without insulting my intelligence.

The American founding fathers brought Christianity to the Americas - Your country also enjoys Christian values and principles.

Did you celebrate Christmas with your family in 2010? Or was that the celebration of Santa Claus or just giving gifts to family members on an occasion that is recognised in the Western world as a celebration of the Birth of Christ Jesus?.....or would you rather Germany phase out Christmas celebrations altogether?

[Gerioke]

attell60 said...

And during WWII the German army had the following engraving on their belts "Gott mit uns" (God with us), which is a very similar

admission of Christianity. In this particular case, this admission of Christianity, did not bring prosperity but utter destruction.

Therefore, your argument, is a non-sequitur, I am afraid.

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HIS girl....

WWII

Hitler

The murder of millions of Jews

"Gott mit uns"...God with us.........

Do you see the absurdity of this list?

Please atell60, if you must humour me, try to do it without insulting my intelligence.

The American founding fathers brought Christianity to the Americas - Your country also enjoys Christian values and principles.

Did you celebrate Christmas with your family in 2010? Or was that the celebration of Santa Claus or just giving gifts to family members on an occasion that is recognised in the Western world as a celebration of the Birth of Christ Jesus?.....or would you rather Germany phase out Christmas celebrations altogether?

Hitler didn't have the "God with us" inscription. It was the soldiers. Would you like to be considered a pro abortion activist just because your president advocates it?

[Guest HIS girl]

attell60 said...

And during WWII the German army had the following engraving on their belts "Gott mit uns" (God with us), which is a very similar

admission of Christianity. In this particular case, this admission of Christianity, did not bring prosperity but utter destruction.

Therefore, your argument, is a non-sequitur, I am afraid.

..................................................................................................................................................

HIS girl....

WWII

Hitler

The murder of millions of Jews

"Gott mit uns"...God with us.........

Do you see the absurdity of this list?

Please atell60, if you must humour me, try to do it without insulting my intelligence.

The American founding fathers brought Christianity to the Americas - Your country also enjoys Christian values and principles.

Did you celebrate Christmas with your family in 2010? Or was that the celebration of Santa Claus or just giving gifts to family members on an occasion that is recognised in the Western world as a celebration of the Birth of Christ Jesus?.....or would you rather Germany phase out Christmas celebrations altogether?

Hitler didn't have the "God with us" inscription. It was the soldiers. Would you like to be considered a pro abortion activist just because your president advocates it?

You think Hitler didn't know of this inscription? Fill me in but weren't these soldiers carrying out death orders from the top? These soldiers weren't innocent to the genocide that was happening Gerioke.

To drag the US citizens and Pres Obama into this is absurd - (this is what you are comparing it to isn't it?)

[nebula]

The God you are portraying would have no reason to die on the cross.

Why would He have to pay such a high price for us to determine His holiness and righteousness by our own merit?

I am not God, I only have my experiences and thoughts to work with.

When the Scripture states, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and "Without faith it is impossible to please God," do you reject these words?

If that is not so, please clarify, for this is what I am hearing.

Obviously God thought it was important to do what He did,

But you don't get it, do you? You do not understand the severity of sin, do you?

but I'm not sure it is required for us to determine His holiness and righteousness;

Actually, it sounded to me like you are. If you have to analyze what the Lord said in order to determine if you will believe it or not, are you not being judge over His word, over His character?

I would think people like Abraham and Moses had no problem perceiving God's holiness without the knowledge of Jesus' sacrifice. Seeing as how I was born after the Resurrection, there is no way to know how I would perceive God or His holiness before He descended from Heaven.

Why are you making this a before and after issue? Has God changed?

Or are you making light of Jesus' sacrifice?

The holiness He had before the resurrection is the same holiness He has now.