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[nebula]

We see the Lord Jesus say in response to a question ask of Him by the chief priests and the elders, "By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority? And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things." (Mat 21:23-24) Sometimes a question deserves a question.

There is an error in your response.

By the time Jesus responded this way, He had already:

Been testified of by a recognized prophet and confirmed by the Voice from Heaven

Performed miracles

Fulfilled every sign that was written in the prophets

Answered their previous challenges to question His workings and His authority

Pointed out through the Scripture the He was the Son of God

Jesus answered this way because by this time they had no excuse for not believing.

But, since Butero answered I will elaborate to the degree that sometimes there can be a "lone ranger" who, after the fact, we can see that the move was of God. So, if a lone ranger comes along, such as John the Baptist, we need to be careful that we don't miss the move of the Spirit.

There is a flaw in this as well.

What makes you so sure John the Baptist was a "lone ranger"? Do you suppose that an unknown man could walk on the scene with no credentials behind him and do as he did and be recognized as a prophet? Did wearing strange clothes and eating a strange diet make him recognized as a prophet, especially with the kind of authority to name the Messiah?

Just because Scriptures do not go into the details of how he became recognized as a prophet does not mean he popped up out of the blue baptizing crowds. Case in point, when did he get his disciples? How long had he been ministering before he began discipling them?

As for Martin Luther - he was already a monk. That gave him some credentiality to be an authority on Scripture and a minister.

So, if a lone ranger comes along, such as John the Baptist, we need to be careful that we don't miss the move of the Spirit.

For, we do know that Elijah must always come before that great and notable day of the Lord.

Saying that anyone who listens to the Lord will recognized you for who you are and/or that you speak the truth - and whoever does not is missing the move of the Spirit - is not wise grounds by which to follow someone. Many a cult leader have led people astray with such.

You are not the first person I have encountered with such authoritative claims, nor are you the first person posting on this message board who has proclaimed such. One man would always respond with:

"We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error."

But consider this:

"no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (2 Peter 1:20)

and

"In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established ." (2 Cor. 13:1; taken from the Torah)

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[Guest]

.... The important thing if one desires "unity of the faith" in God's testimony, is to appreciate the history here in this revival (which is significant), and visit such a gathering to learn and get acquainted. In time I believe an earnest seeker will see it is sound and real in the faith....

The Unity Of Faith

These things I command you, that ye love one another. John 15:17

Is God

And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Romans 8:27

Given

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Galatians 4:6

Beloved

Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:3-6

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

Love, Your Brother Joe

[sdktlk]

We see the Lord Jesus say in response to a question ask of Him by the chief priests and the elders, "By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority? And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things." (Mat 21:23-24) Sometimes a question deserves a question.

There is an error in your response.

By the time Jesus responded this way, He had already:

Been testified of by a recognized prophet and confirmed by the Voice from Heaven

Performed miracles

Fulfilled every sign that was written in the prophets

Answered their previous challenges to question His workings and His authority

Pointed out through the Scripture the He was the Son of God

Jesus answered this way because by this time they had no excuse for not believing.

But, since Butero answered I will elaborate to the degree that sometimes there can be a "lone ranger" who, after the fact, we can see that the move was of God. So, if a lone ranger comes along, such as John the Baptist, we need to be careful that we don't miss the move of the Spirit.

There is a flaw in this as well.

What makes you so sure John the Baptist was a "lone ranger"? Do you suppose that an unknown man could walk on the scene with no credentials behind him and do as he did and be recognized as a prophet? Did wearing strange clothes and eating a strange diet make him recognized as a prophet, especially with the kind of authority to name the Messiah?

Just because Scriptures do not go into the details of how he became recognized as a prophet does not mean he popped up out of the blue baptizing crowds. Case in point, when did he get his disciples? How long had he been ministering before he began discipling them?

As for Martin Luther - he was already a monk. That gave him some credentiality to be an authority on Scripture and a minister.

So, if a lone ranger comes along, such as John the Baptist, we need to be careful that we don't miss the move of the Spirit.

For, we do know that Elijah must always come before that great and notable day of the Lord.

Saying that anyone who listens to the Lord will recognized you for who you are and/or that you speak the truth - and whoever does not is missing the move of the Spirit - is not wise grounds by which to follow someone. Many a cult leader have led people astray with such.

You are not the first person I have encountered with such authoritative claims, nor are you the first person posting on this message board who has proclaimed such. One man would always respond with:

"We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error."

But consider this:

"no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (2 Peter 1:20)

and

"In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established ." (2 Cor. 13:1; taken from the Torah)

.

Sister, it is amazing how you can always manage to see the errors and the flaws, but seem unable to see the gate. You would think that I'm against the Body of Christ by the way you fight what I say. However, that is not the case, I'm simply against the system which has come forth from the minds of men to take the children of God captive, and the Lord calls her, "Babylon the Great, mother of harlots and abominations of the earth." Not only can we not see the mother (Babylon) but we cannot see her daughters (harlots.)

The enemy has been so subtil as to be able to so jumble up the Word of God with this fairy tail or that fairy tail which has caused the body of Christ to continually look upon the earth for the answer to spiritual things. But, the only way that these things can be seen though is we have to heed the words of the Lord Jesus and enter in at the "strait gate."

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, "I don't want anyone to follow me, just follow Jesus in spirit and in TRUTH." In the words of the Lord Jesus with respect to His teachings He said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His that sent Me. If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of Myself." (Joh 7:16-17)

The only way to know if submitting to the Words of the Lord just as they are written in Matthew 5,6,7 and Luke 6 will actually bring forth fruit is to, in the words of Phillip which he spoke to Nathaniel, "Come and see."

Edited February 3, 2011 by sdktlk

[nebula]

What is your solution?

How are believers to meet together for prayer, fellowship, the breaking of bread, and the apostles teaching?

[sdktlk]

What is your solution?

How are believers to meet together for prayer, fellowship, the breaking of bread, and the apostles teaching?

It truly is quite simple. First, come out from under the "names." And I will share with you what the Lord shared with me about 38 years ago. As I know you have read my testimony (and for those who have not it is posted on this site under sdktlk testimony) then you can understand that I was on fire for Jesus after having been saved. Even though I was in prison I of course wanted to get my hands on everything that could help me know Jesus better so I began to try to gather up all the teachings and writings by all the greats that had gone before.

The Word of the Lord came unto me saying, "Put down the books and forget everything you think you know about everything you think you know about the Bible, come unto Me and I will teach you." I remember that Word verbatim as if it were yesterday. For the first 10 years of my walk with the Lord I read nothing but the Bible. If I heard any teaching from anyone else I would listen but I would not swallow until I asked the Lord, "Lord what about that?" And until I heard from the Lord I did not eat that which was offered.

Yours in Christ

Edited February 3, 2011 by sdktlk

[Believer112]

Neb, seems you somehow always manage to go off on some journey that leaves the main subject behind.

Threads going off OP happen more often than they don't. Blaming me isn't going to change that.

The subject had to to with one church... not what I do or do not do with respect to fellowship. So, back to the subject.

Have you considered that I am asking you this for a reason?

Your words are so vague, I have no idea what you are trying to say. They may sound nice, but I cannot figure out how you intend for them to apply to real life.

Have you considered that I am pressing you as a means of making sense out of your position and propositions and claims?

That's why I've posted the emoticons. Your dodging is getting old.

And about John the Baptist - he was straight up with his answers. So was Elijah.

So if you are "the Elijah who is to come", why can't you follow suit?

My words have been straight forward in many area's, just as with who the Lord was speaking to on the Sermon on the Mount and what those Words mean to Christians. But, it seems those things are unable to be heard.

Also, just as I clearly show through Scripture here that the false Christ's and false prophets ARISE AFTER the "tribulation" period, yet we cannot see it.

Please be gentle. I am not well versed in scripture and sometimes the meaning fly over my head if not explained.

[Believer112]

What is your solution?

How are believers to meet together for prayer, fellowship, the breaking of bread, and the apostles teaching?

It truly is quite simple. First, come out from under the "names." And I will share with you what the Lord shared with me about 38 years ago. As I know you have read my testimony (and for those who have not it is posted on this site under sdktlk testimony) then you can understand that I was on fire for Jesus after having been saved. Even though I was in prison I of course wanted to get my hands on everything that could help me know Jesus better so I began to try to gather up all the teachings and writings by all the greats that had gone before.

The Word of the Lord came unto me saying, "Put down the books and forget everything you think you know about everything you think you know about the Bible, come unto Me and I will teach you." I remember that Word verbatim as if it were yesterday. For the first 10 years of my walk with the Lord I read nothing but the Bible. If I heard any teaching from anyone else I would listen but I would not swallow until I asked the Lord, "Lord what about that?" And until I heard from the Lord I did not eat that which was offered.

Yours in Christ

I would like to see more unity in the body of Christ also. I believe different denom have different doctrines which separate us. You hear of a lot arguments here over doctrinal beliefs. I guess thats why the Body of Christ is made up of many parts. As long as they are preaching Jesus Christ is Lord.

Philippians 1:

¹² But I want you to know, brethren, that the things which happened to me have actually turned out for the furtherance of the gospel, ¹³ so that it has become evident to the whole palace guard, and to all the rest, that my chains are in Christ; ¹⁴ and most of the brethren in the Lord, having become confident by my chains, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.

¹⁵ Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: ¹⁶ The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; ¹⁷ but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. ¹⁸ What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.

[enoob57]

What is your solution?

How are believers to meet together for prayer, fellowship, the breaking of bread, and the apostles teaching?

It truly is quite simple. First, come out from under the "names." And I will share with you what the Lord shared with me about 38 years ago. As I know you have read my testimony (and for those who have not it is posted on this site under sdktlk testimony) then you can understand that I was on fire for Jesus after having been saved. Even though I was in prison I of course wanted to get my hands on everything that could help me know Jesus better so I began to try to gather up all the teachings and writings by all the greats that had gone before.

The Word of the Lord came unto me saying, "Put down the books and forget everything you think you know about everything you think you know about the Bible, come unto Me and I will teach you." I remember that Word verbatim as if it were yesterday. For the first 10 years of my walk with the Lord I read nothing but the Bible. If I heard any teaching from anyone else I would listen but I would not swallow until I asked the Lord, "Lord what about that?" And until I heard from the Lord I did not eat that which was offered.

Yours in Christ

Eph 4:11-14

11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;

NKJV

It concerns me the Scripture says- How Christ will teach us... and for you it is not so? Love Steven

[sdktlk]

What is your solution?

How are believers to meet together for prayer, fellowship, the breaking of bread, and the apostles teaching?

It truly is quite simple. First, come out from under the "names." And I will share with you what the Lord shared with me about 38 years ago. As I know you have read my testimony (and for those who have not it is posted on this site under sdktlk testimony) then you can understand that I was on fire for Jesus after having been saved. Even though I was in prison I of course wanted to get my hands on everything that could help me know Jesus better so I began to try to gather up all the teachings and writings by all the greats that had gone before.

The Word of the Lord came unto me saying, "Put down the books and forget everything you think you know about everything you think you know about the Bible, come unto Me and I will teach you." I remember that Word verbatim as if it were yesterday. For the first 10 years of my walk with the Lord I read nothing but the Bible. If I heard any teaching from anyone else I would listen but I would not swallow until I asked the Lord, "Lord what about that?" And until I heard from the Lord I did not eat that which was offered.

Yours in Christ

Eph 4:11-14

11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;

NKJV

It concerns me the Scripture says- How Christ will teach us... and for you it is not so? Love Steven

Brother, I do not disagree. But we read, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken." (Mat 24:29) However, when the "stars" have fallen from heaven, that is the apostles, prophets, evangelists and teachers the Lord always reserves a remnant unto Himself. He is God after all.

Oh, and by the way, I was taught of the apostles, prophets and teachers. Those dear brothers in the Word who sacrificed so much to bring us the Truth. The Lord Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, has indeed used those teachers to bring me out of darkness and into His glorious Light.

Edited February 3, 2011 by sdktlk

[Guest man]

It truly is quite simple. First, come out from under the "names." And I will share with you what the Lord shared with me about 38 years ago.

Why not just share? I don't recall Jesus ever giving the people an ultimatum before He taught.

If I heard any teaching from anyone else I would listen but I would not swallow until I asked the Lord, "Lord what about that?" And until I heard from the Lord I did not eat that which was offered.

Why not give your listeners the same opportunity?