regeneration

[lifesharer]

we are done JOHN

your attitude and utter lack of comprehension of many basic principles in the word show your not able comprehend this . and further your constant sliding from the subjcect is simply "muddying" the waters.

nothing you have said is valid of of consequence to the simple plain scriptures i have posted over and over. our conversation is finished then

BYE

[AnotherTraveler]

If you have NOT, you have NO authority to disagree with what I said !

Why is it that you believe that you can determine who has authority to disagree with you or not, and why do you believe that you can require everyone to read all these sites and in the order that you submitted them?

Who gave you this authority?

[His son]

The bottom line as always is the whole context of The Scriputes which in plain English tell us that we can walk on this earth exactly like Christ did while He was here that's what we are being regenerated to do, why The Holy Spirit is putting the mind of Christ in us, and why Christ told us we can do all things He did. We who are the circumcised in the heart believers will be changed into the exact image of what He was while He was here, and then after this pilgrimage we will be changed into the exact image of what He is now. I learned this from reading, and meditating on The Scriptures, and relying on The Holy Spirit to teach me God's Truth. Christ said it, and that makes it an established fact we can live sinless before we go on.

[johnP]

lifesharer.

we are done JOHN

Ok lifesharer but I will bring attention to error when I see it.

Christ said it, and that makes it an established fact we can live sinless before we go on.

I would have liked to know how far along you are with this sinless life you have.

...your attitude...

I am sorry if my tone has caused you offence. I may have repaid wrong for wrong. Please forgive me.

...utter lack of comprehension...

Then you are duty bound to walk me through it are you not? I am sure I have, without checking back, always included my reasoning when stating my position with the scriptural verses needed for my arguement. I have not ranted at you or been abusive. I cannot understand why you cast me adrift if I am so wrong. I would not desert you brother.

...this fact amounts to being given a new nature a divine nature the original nature God created in Adam...

I asked you, "Then why don't mine work properly, lack of knowledge?"

Lack of knowledge should not affect a fact of nature. Why don't my nature work properly? Yours does?"

A reasonable question I thought.

johnp.

[Guest idied2]

The regeneration, resurection, and catching away are one and the same. It is the end of our faith. It is the end of our hope and the receiving of the promise.

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

[lifesharer]

( I died 2) No< Col 2: 11-14 and ro. 2:28-29 show clearly that regeneration occures at the time of water baptism and this is the BEginning of spiritualy maturity and abilities to participate in Gods KINGDOM (john 3:5) we do NOT have to wait till we die to achieve spiritual maturity ( unless you believe as the mormons do).

( ANOTHEER TRAVELER) THE WORD OF god IS THE SOLE AUTHORITY ANDIF YOU DID not READ THE SCRIPTURES I GAVE AS TEXT PROOF YOUR UNARMED AND WITHOUT AUTHORITY TO DISPUTE SINCE YOU AS A PERSON HAVE no AUTHORITY ) IT IS gods WORD THAT IS THE AUTHORITY , YOU SEE NOW? ( sorry about the caps )

(HIS SON) you have encapsulated regeneration in a nut shell ) you are defintily withing the KINGDOM !

as for the rest i will respoind next week

[ayin jade]

That doesnt quite sound right.

[johnP]

Bptismal regeneration is false. It is a work.

JN 6:28 Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"

JN 6:29 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

The only work required of us is faith and that is given by God.

Eph 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Col 2: 11-14 and ro. 2:28-29 show clearly that regeneration occures at the time of water baptism

RO 2:28 A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.

Regeneration is circumcision of the heart and has nothing to do with splashing about in water.

COL 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins

johnp.

[Guest shiloh357]

Ouote from Lifesharer:

The " Adamic sin nature", or also called the "original sin nature" is that nature of a dead spirit cut off from God. Obviously. regeneration makes us a NEW creation ( 1Cor.5:17 and able to walk in "newness of Life" Ro. 6:4. We are returned to that former nature of an ancient generation ( Adam's) we NO LONGER HAVE a " sin Nature".

When lifesharer said that we no longer have a sin nature, the coffin was nailed shut. Such a belief flies in the face of Scripture that tells us that our flesh wars against the Spirit. Gal. 5:17. If we did not have a sin nature, if we are regenerated right back to where Adam was before the fall, as Lifesharer argues, then we would be flawless without any need to read the Scriptures, and there would be no need for sanctification.

IT is clear that if we do " sin" there is NO law to condemn or pass sentence or to accuse us and even so the Lord will "convince " or convict us of sin but it is NOT a " sin unto "death" ( not " condemnation) unless we ignore this conviction ( 1 Peter 3:21 and Hebrews chapter 6) we walk under grace and NOT under the law which had no mercy but we were commanded : " DO it ALL and live!". We CAN walk "perfect" before God and we can overcome our flesh and walk in and KNOW his perfect will . That is the very testimony of the Word , over and over:" i write these words that you sin NOT ... paul said . But if you sin you have an advocate with the Father..."

This is a contradiction to Lifesharers assertion that we do not have a sin nature. If we do not have a sin nature, then NO commandment against sinning would be necessary, nor would the Scriptures say "if you sin, you have an advocate..." If you have no sin nature, you cannot sin, therefore there is no need for an advocate, and there is certainly no need for Jesus to be acting as our High Priest and making intercession for us. 1 John 1:9 would be pointless as well. If we have no sin nature, then we nothing to confess, and the blood of Jesus could not cleanse us of sins we did not commit.]

I may not yet be walking in perfection BUt i am running the race to attain it

If you have no sin nature then would have already attained it.

It really boils down to a bunch of false teaching. It is really to see through this junk.

[Guest idied2]

( I died 2) No< Col 2: 11-14 and ro. 2:28-29 show clearly that regeneration occures at the time of water baptism and this is the BEginning of spiritualy maturity and abilities to participate in Gods KINGDOM (john 3:5) we do NOT have to wait till we die to achieve spiritual maturity ( unless you believe as the mormons do).

These scriptures that you quoted for reference to what you are saying, don't say anything of the sort. Here they are. Where do you get regeneration in these scriptures? That teach about circumcision and babtizm.

Colossians

2:11

In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,

2:12

buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

2:13

And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

2:14

having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Romans

2:28

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;

2:29

but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Here are the scriptures that teach regeneration.

Mt 19:28

So Jesus said to them, "Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Tit 3:5

not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

Tit 3:5

not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

This scripture means at the finishing of your faith you will be raised incoruptable and given the spirit of GOD without measure. Which you have now by measure.

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: