The freewills gospel

[MorningGlory]

For it is common sense that the Holy Spirit precedes the scripture if in fact scripture is inspired by the Hoily Spirit.

There is no question that Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit. What do you mean by 'if'?

Need I prove to everyone that God is Love without showing it in the bible?

I'm not clear on this. Need you prove this without showing it in the Bible? Who asked that of you? What on earth do you mean?

For all religions around the world acknowledge at least this.

No, they most certainly don't.

[childeye]

Romans 5:5-9 And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!

My dear Morning glory, I am trying to address your question through scripture as succinctly as I am able. Please note the underlined scripture. We were powerless and we were ungodly and the Holy Spirit put Love in our hearts. Now look at the following scripture.

Acts 11:16-18Then I remembered what the Lord had said: 'John baptized with[a] water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' 17 So if God gave them the same gift as he gave us, who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could oppose God?"

18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life."

Romans 2:4, Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

Okay........now please answer my questions in Post # 31 and provide Scripture that says we are not free to accept or reject God. The passages above are not related to my request for supporting Scripture.

My dear, you are a delight to me. I pray I am not a dissapointment to you. I trust when Jesus said in John 6:44 "No one comes to me unless the Father who sent me draws them" is not sufficient? For if He draws them, they cannot say it is them who choose Christ and to choose Christ is to choose God. Likewise they must deny God, if God does not draw them. Nonetheless, Perhaps this scripture will convince you, John 6: 64-65,Yet there are some of you who do not believe.

[childeye]

For it is common sense that the Holy Spirit precedes the scripture if in fact scripture is inspired by the Hoily Spirit.

There is no question that Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit. What do you mean by 'if'?

Need I prove to everyone that God is Love without showing it in the bible?

I'm not clear on this. Need you prove this without showing it in the Bible? Who asked that of you? What on earth do you mean?

For all religions around the world acknowledge at least this.

No, they most certainly don't.

Correction, most do.

[childeye]

For it is common sense that the Holy Spirit precedes the scripture if in fact scripture is inspired by the Hoily Spirit.

There is no question that Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit. What do you mean by 'if'?

Need I prove to everyone that God is Love without showing it in the bible?

I'm not clear on this. Need you prove this without showing it in the Bible? Who asked that of you? What on earth do you mean?

For all religions around the world acknowledge at least this.

No, they most certainly don't.

Dear morning glory, these points were meant for Fez. Of course I believe the scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit, the if is pertaining to the fact that If there were no Holy Spirit there would be no inspiration.

[Fez]

For it is common sense that the Holy Spirit precedes the scripture if in fact scripture is inspired by the Hoily Spirit.

There is no question that Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit. What do you mean by 'if'?

Need I prove to everyone that God is Love without showing it in the bible?

I'm not clear on this. Need you prove this without showing it in the Bible? Who asked that of you? What on earth do you mean?

For all religions around the world acknowledge at least this.

No, they most certainly don't.

For it is common sense that the Holy Spirit precedes the scripture if in fact scripture is inspired by the Hoily Spirit.

If scripture,as you allude to, is not inspired by the Holy Spirit, who, or what then is it inspired by, in your opinion?

[childeye]

Thank you for the blessing, childeye, and I'm sure you are being sincere. However, regardless of how many words you type or explanations you give, you still did not provide Scripture that says we are not free to choose or reject God. If there is no choice, why witness? Why preach the gospel? Why have churches if everyone who will go to Heaven are already chosen and those who aren't saved.....can never be. I'm sorry but this is not Biblical and I totally reject it. Nothing personal. May the Lord bless you and yours as well.

Dear Morning Glory, I do believe this is the heart of your contention with me, "why witness? Why preach the gospel? Why have churches if everyone who will go to heaven are already chosen and those who aren't saved can never be?" 1 Corinthians 19-25 For it is written:

[childeye]

For it is common sense that the Holy Spirit precedes the scripture if in fact scripture is inspired by the Hoily Spirit.

There is no question that Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit. What do you mean by 'if'?

Need I prove to everyone that God is Love without showing it in the bible?

I'm not clear on this. Need you prove this without showing it in the Bible? Who asked that of you? What on earth do you mean?

For all religions around the world acknowledge at least this.

No, they most certainly don't.

For it is common sense that the Holy Spirit precedes the scripture if in fact scripture is inspired by the Hoily Spirit.

If scripture,as you allude to, is not inspired by the Holy Spirit, who, or what then is it inspired by, in your opinion?

I believe the scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit, for the Truth therein is self-evident, so this is not my opinion. I believe you misunderstand my point. My point is the Truth existed before anyone wrote it down.

[MorningGlory]

Romans 5:5-9 And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!

My dear Morning glory, I am trying to address your question through scripture as succinctly as I am able. Please note the underlined scripture. We were powerless and we were ungodly and the Holy Spirit put Love in our hearts. Now look at the following scripture.

Acts 11:16-18Then I remembered what the Lord had said: 'John baptized with[a] water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' 17 So if God gave them the same gift as he gave us, who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could oppose God?"

18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life."

Romans 2:4, Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

Okay........now please answer my questions in Post # 31 and provide Scripture that says we are not free to accept or reject God. The passages above are not related to my request for supporting Scripture.

My dear, you are a delight to me. I pray I am not a dissapointment to you. I trust when Jesus said in John 6:44 "No one comes to me unless the Father who sent me draws them" is not sufficient? For if He draws them, they cannot say it is them who choose Christ and to choose Christ is to choose God. Likewise they must deny God, if God does not draw them. Nonetheless, Perhaps this scripture will convince you, John 6: 64-65,Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him." Or perhaps this, John 10:25-27 Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. Here Christ has said that his sheep follow him, he says those who are not his sheep do not. Is this sufficient for you?

Sorry, no. Please answer my questions from Post # 31.........

"If there is no choice, why witness? Why preach the gospel? Why have churches if everyone who will go to Heaven are already chosen and those who aren't saved.....can never be."

[MorningGlory]

Dear Morning Glory, I do believe this is the heart of your contention with me, "why witness? Why preach the gospel? Why have churches if everyone who will go to heaven are already chosen and those who aren't saved can never be?" 1 Corinthians 19-25 For it is written:

"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;

the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."[a]

20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

I understand that this is disturbing to some because it seems unfair that God would choose some and not everyone. I have said in this thread that we do not glorify God as God since we believe we have the right or option to deny Him. God therefore according to this scripture takes away that prerogative that demeans His Godhead. Do not fear however, for He also says that it is good that we seek to intercede for all men and that there is hope all men will be saved in due time perhaps once God's point is made. 1 Timothy 2:1-6, I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone

[Fez]

Dear Morning Glory, I do believe this is the heart of your contention with me, "why witness? Why preach the gospel? Why have churches if everyone who will go to heaven are already chosen and those who aren't saved can never be?" 1 Corinthians 19-25 For it is written:

"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;

the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."[a]

We are to come before Him as children, and that is not what you advocate.

"But we prefer, if it must be so, to be less wise in the scriptures than to be wise against them" - Turtellian

Being overly wise is what the scripture quoted alludes to.

I believe some of us are just too "wise" for our own good....