death: a sneak peak into the afterlife?

[nebula]

Well, I'm not one to believe God stopped talking and revealing at the end of the First century, so . . . have to disagree with you here, bro.

Well there are a great many that believe in an open cannon of Scripture. I believe the great seal at the end of Revelation of not adding or taking away-

Rev 22:18-19

18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

NKJV

"the words of the prophecy of this book" - How do you equate this to mean the entire Cannon of Scripture? John's book was a separate entity for more than a century or two.

is for all of God's Word for it was given after John had been shown all things and the eternal state...

"All things"? John only saw the Throne room - not the entirety of Heaven.

Case in point, remember Jesus' words about "preparing a place for you"? Did John see those dwelling places?

The last book written in the dated books 90's ^AD thus the assembled cannon of Scripture.

It was assembles until the 3rd or 4th Century.

I watch the fruit of those in your arena with the open cannon of Scripture and rather unsettling things are being proclaimed in The Name of God and no one can say that's not right cause it is not found in the Bible for it is the later addition coming out and who or what can examine it for authenticity? If we give up the closed cannon of Scripture we give up the only objective source God has given us to determine life and Godliness!

Too many interpret the Bible through the Greco-Roman lens and not the Hebraic lens from which the Bible was written.

What credentials can we use to determine new stuff that is not found in the Scripture as reality from God?...

Take the debate on gambling. The Bible doesn't talk about making money off of gambling, whether it is righteous or unrighteous. So we've been debating this, with different people coming to different conclusions based on this Scripture or that Scripture. If God no longer speaks to us, how can we ever have assurance of God's will in things we deal with that are not mentioned in Scripture?

((Actually, imagine me looking at you like you have two heads)) I fail to see how this is a viable argument in you defense. To be spared sorrow? Frustration?

I am very literal in simplicity and this

1 Cor 2:9-10

9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

NKJV

and Heaven is where Jesus went to prepare for us a place

John 14:2-3

2 In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you,

I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

NKJV

Literally how can these be true if God is taking people there and sending them back here to tell of it?

I don't read the 1 Cor. 2 passage as being about what Heaven looks like. The Kingdom of God / the Kingdom of Heaven is not about the "physical" place. (Remember Jesus saying, "... the Kingdom of God has come upon you."? If that's about the layout of Heaven, this passage makes no sense.) So I don't see this as supporting your argument.

And again, did John see those "many mansions"?

I understand with an open cannon no problem but for me I have no longer a place to stand upon God's Word cause I do not have all of it yet... but God has also said this

Matt 5:18

18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

NKJV

We know that this time is the great white throne for they are judged according to the Law for they rejected Christ

Prov 22:28

28 Do not remove the ancient landmark

Which your fathers have set.

NKJV

When Jesus said, "The Law" He meant "the Torah." To call the "Cannon" "the law" is a misinterpretation.

all Scripture must agree to the beginnings as landmarks so the endings

Rev 1:17-19

17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, "Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.

18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

19 Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.

NKJV

Where is there anything to be added to The New Heaven and the New Earth and the eternal state Rev 22? Love Steven

What is "the New Heaven"? The Heaven that is now?

[enoob57]

Well there are a great many that believe in an open cannon of Scripture. I believe the great seal at the end of Revelation of not adding or taking away-

Rev 22:18-19

18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

NKJV

"the words of the prophecy of this book" - How do you equate this to mean the entire Cannon of Scripture? John's book was a separate entity for more than a century or two.

Prophecy is an interesting study and it is best organized as God Speaking outside of the bounds of time... for God past, present and future are the same he dwells in them in what ever manner that is pleasing to Him! In the infinite unbounded life we will enjoy with Him... He will tutor us in realities we have no communication for now for there are things yet not introduced but will be and as we travel with Him in the New beginnings of learning the wonders of Him-> it is beyond the time of now- in that we are to be waiting upon Him for then in Hope- yet focus on the now for the times are evil and it is obedience to Him in this matter! That's why its good not to itch to much in the ears of future stuff but only as substanced faith in His control of and possible things to look for as we focus on the second of present. For isn't this true the greater the faith we have in Him the less we will feel the need of looking ahead for He has said

Matt 6:34

34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

NKJV

I Love Him so much by what He has already placed within me through His Word that obedience to this is like saying I trust you Lord with everything...Let me show you by doing so in my heart!!!

His Word is all prophetical for we live in the second of present... when He prophesied of Beginnings in Moses our histories was explained for its entirety was necessary for our future understanding of His Glorious intentions in His Son. While our past is Him yet our future is formed by the already past proclaimed promises so as to know that He sit within them all...

Luke 20:44

44 Therefore David calls Him 'Lord'; how is He then his Son?"

NKJV

For that is what the Word does it reveals Him to us by it's absorption of truths so that without seeing yet we believe. The more we absorb the realities of His Word the more we grow into the image of His Own Son our Lord -Who came and showed by living before us what exactly that life would look like! God loves to proclaim through the still, small voice for only those so attuned to His greatness will strain to hear and listen in the respect of His Person or His written Word! What is being said... That is the diligence in seeking Him for they have respect unto the reward yet to come. The motivation is of His Own Person "Love" presented and kept unstained within us by The Holy Spirit. Based on this I see all of Scripture as past present and future in one form or another in reference to receiver, giver or event in relation to God who is where ever He wishes or in all as is His Good Pleasure at its revealing... I didn't mean to beat down your rose bushes in this much speaking!!! also Neb you know thousands of copies exist giving rise to the truth that churches outside of the political forming catholic one had these letters and were busy at increasing their amount in existence! One of the realities was the transformation of lives by the intake of the letters turths... Hence the great seal of God's Word after the the penning by John of end times 90's ^_ad... as the finished cannon of Scripture God has completed His Word and the foundation is now ready for building His Church upon... The common sense of who can read Revelation and not know it is the completion of God's intentions into the eternities?

I believe Peter looked at Scripture this way

2 Peter 1:19-21

19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

NKJV

is for all of God's Word for it was given after John had been shown all things and the eternal state...

"All things"? John only saw the Throne room - not the entirety of Heaven.

Case in point, remember Jesus' words about "preparing a place for you"? Did John see those dwelling places?

The Book is John's vision and what he saw you can Spiritually sense His strain to try to describe what he had no word's for ex: made out of gold yet you could see through them, jewels for gates and building material, falling down before angels he is all shook up! Neb Rev 22 seeing the New Heaven and New Earth and it wonders, the eradication of sin, satan cast into hell, etc.

I watch the fruit of those in your arena with the open cannon of Scripture and rather unsettling things are being proclaimed in The Name of God and no one can say that's not right cause it is not found in the Bible for it is the later addition coming out and who or what can examine it for authenticity? If we give up the closed cannon of Scripture we give up the only objective source God has given us to determine life and Godliness

Too many interpret the Bible through the Greco-Roman lens and not the Hebraic lens from which the Bible was written.

Context is everything as basis and tether for understanding Scripture.

What credentials can we use to determine new stuff that is not found in the Scripture as reality from God?...

Take the debate on gambling. The Bible doesn't talk about making money off of gambling, whether it is righteous or unrighteous. So we've been debating this, with different people coming to different conclusions based on this Scripture or that Scripture. If God no longer speaks to us, how can we ever have assurance of God's will in things we deal with that are not mentioned in Scripture?

Loved one this is perhaps the most misused or forced issue in today events:

God says in the wisdom of Solomon

Eccl 1:9-11

9 That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun.

10 Is there anything of which it may be said, "See, this is new"? It has already been in ancient times before us.

11 There is no remembrance of former things, Nor will there be any remembrance of things that are to come

By those who will come after.

NKJV

Because we live in the second of present (forget or remember) become tools for which this is new or never been done -yet- In God He has told us not so. Therefore in the specific of His Word all answers may be found for Him to be able to say this

2 Tim 3:16-17

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

NKJV

because our New Birth(spirit) is at war with our flesh we are often time pressed by that flesh for an hurried answer... but to be obedient to The Lord waiting upon His good time and the Scripture to guide us in the moment we are in-> is the battle... and of more importance than one may think! For if*** don't eat of this one tree*** brought all this pain and sorrow into being .... how about the going ahead and not waiting upon Him by our own urgings-> certainly we outdistance the Spirit of God for this grieving within us "I know well this error!" it harms not just ourselves but those we love in Christ...

((Actually, imagine me looking at you like you have two heads)) I fail to see how this is a viable argument in you defense. To be spared sorrow? Frustration?

I am very literal in simplicity and this

1 Cor 2:9-10

9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

NKJV

and Heaven is where Jesus went to prepare for us a place

John 14:2-3

2 In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you,

I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

NKJV

Literally how can these be true if God is taking people there and sending them back here to tell of it?

I don't read the 1 Cor. 2 passage as being about what Heaven looks like. The Kingdom of God / the Kingdom of Heaven is not about the "physical" place. (Remember Jesus saying, "... the Kingdom of God has come upon you."? If that's about the layout of Heaven, this passage makes no sense.) So I don't see this as supporting your argument.

simply Neb is Heaven our future with Him and is it His in preparing for us? Can Heaven be listed as things or a place God is preparing for us? Yes is only available in these questions so then what He has said about these things are as well true...

And again, did John see those "many mansions"? He said He saw the city, the gates, the streets... The River From The Throne, The Twelve Trees for healing the nations etc. but you can also know that what God has said about this He was in a pickle to define and did His best but in Him was failure to do so in view as to what it meant to Him but a Pleasure to God to see Him with such fervency to give all that He had to do so... We shall sit with John and hear all of his life and experiences in God- what a future of privilege we have as Christ's own....

I understand with an open cannon no problem but for me I have no longer a place to stand upon God's Word cause I do not have all of it yet... but God has also said this

Matt 5:18

18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

NKJV

We know that this time is the great white throne for they are judged according to the Law for they rejected Christ

Prov 22:28

28 Do not remove the ancient landmark

Which your fathers have set.

NKJV

When Jesus said, "The Law" He meant "the Torah." To call the "Cannon" "the law" is a misinterpretation.

That is why I quoted the Great White Throne when Christ required all the Law fulfilled it will not be until all the rejectors of Christ have been brought before Him in Judgment of law and not of grace at The Great White Throne of the Lake of fire and final judgment of satan and his angels... at the time of Christ's speaking the New Covenant had not been written as the living letters had not been penned so He spoke this way so that which would be written would automatically be included for the first will be last and the last first even in the judgments... The Judgment seat of Christ being the first of judgments for the time of grace was last but the the Great White Throne is last of judgments but the period of Law was the first covenant established... The intricacies of His Word are as His treasuries of snow in Job-> each and every portion is unique and perfect in form and placement within His Council of His Word!

all Scripture must agree to the beginnings as landmarks so the endings

Rev 1:17-19

17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, "Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.

18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

19 Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.

NKJV

Where is there anything to be added to The New Heaven and the New Earth and the eternal state Rev 22? Love Steven

What is "the New Heaven"? The Heaven that is now?

Ps 102:25-28

25 Of old You laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 26 They will perish, but You will endure;

Yes, they will all grow old like a garment; Like a cloak You will change them, And they will be changed. 27 But You are the same,

And Your years will have no end. 28 The children of Your servants will continue, And their descendants will be established before You."

NKJV

Isa 34:4

4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved, And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll; All their host shall fall down

As the leaf falls from the vine, And as fruit falling from a fig tree.

NKJV

2 Peter 3:10-13

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

NKJV

Isa 65:17

17 "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;

And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

NKJV

Isa 66:22

22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth

Which I will make shall remain before Me," says the Lord,

"So shall your descendants and your name remain.

NKJV

Rev 21:1-5

21 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."

5 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."

NKJV

The hope of the undeserved burns like the coal upon Isaiah's lips in my heart... Love Steven

[Believer112]

Wow! this is the topic of the year. Why is everyone wielding the Word of God at each other? We use His word as a sword to cut the others heart out. Pride keeps us arguing, and over Lazarus and NDE . We have Christians here that are slow to edify and quick to condemn and insecure ones that have to publicly justify their faith There are a few testimonies of NDE's of visions of heaven or hell and a few of these people get born again because of their experience. Instead of Praising God for another one added to the kingdom of God we critique the vision. If the persons fruits are for God then it was from God.

Thanks be to God for His only begotten Son!

[Fez]

A lot of "if it does not fit with scripture it cannot be true" has been wielded about the boards with regard to heaven and has anyone seen it lately.

I am not being contentious here but, if anyone had read these words before they were included in the bible, I wonder what they would have said?

Eze 10:7 And a cherub stretched out his hand from between the cherubim to the fire that was between the cherubim, and took some of it and put it into the hands of the man clothed in linen, who took it and went out.

Eze 10:8 The cherubim appeared to have the form of a human hand under their wings.

Eze 10:9 And I looked, and behold, there were four wheels beside the cherubim, one beside each cherub, and the appearance of the wheels was like sparkling beryl.

Eze 10:10 And as for their appearance, the four had the same likeness, as if a wheel were within a wheel.

Eze 10:11 When they went, they went in any of their four directions without turning as they went, but in whatever direction the front wheel faced, the others followed without turning as they went.

Eze 10:12 And their whole body, their rims, and their spokes, their wings, and the wheels were full of eyes all around--the wheels that the four of them had.

Eze 10:13 As for the wheels, they were called in my hearing "the whirling wheels."

Ezekiel was mad? What he was writing about was nonsense? That he was a prophet?

The whole direction of the posts just got me to thinking, how were the words of the prophets we know and love first accepted?

[Matthitjah]

A lot of "if it does not fit with scripture it cannot be true" has been wielded about the boards with regard to heaven and has anyone seen it lately.

I am not being contentious here but, if anyone had read these words before they were included in the bible, I wonder what they would have said?

Eze 10:7 And a cherub stretched out his hand from between the cherubim to the fire that was between the cherubim, and took some of it and put it into the hands of the man clothed in linen, who took it and went out.

Eze 10:8 The cherubim appeared to have the form of a human hand under their wings.

Eze 10:9 And I looked, and behold, there were four wheels beside the cherubim, one beside each cherub, and the appearance of the wheels was like sparkling beryl.

Eze 10:10 And as for their appearance, the four had the same likeness, as if a wheel were within a wheel.

Eze 10:11 When they went, they went in any of their four directions without turning as they went, but in whatever direction the front wheel faced, the others followed without turning as they went.

Eze 10:12 And their whole body, their rims, and their spokes, their wings, and the wheels were full of eyes all around--the wheels that the four of them had.

Eze 10:13 As for the wheels, they were called in my hearing "the whirling wheels."

Ezekiel was mad? What he was writing about was nonsense? That he was a prophet?

The whole direction of the posts just got me to thinking, how were the words of the prophets we know and love first accepted?

The same way brother Fez, the same way.

[Matthitjah]

Awesome!

Quote Streams in the Desert;

April 22

Ready to Move

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens" (2 Cor.5:1).

The owner of the tenement which I have occupied for many years has given notice that he will furnish but little or nothing more for repairs. I am advised to be ready to move.

At first this was not a very welcome notice. The surroundings here are in many respects very pleasant, and were it not for the evidence of decay, I should consider the house good enough. But even a light wind causes it to tremble and totter, and all the braces are not sufficient to make it secure. So I am getting ready to move.

It is strange how quickly one's interest is transferred to the prospective home. I have been consulting maps of the new country and reading descriptions of its inhabitants. One who visited it has returned, and from him I learn that it is beautiful beyond description; language breaks down in attempting to tell of what he heard while there. He says that, in order to make an investment there, he has suffered the loss of all things that he owned here, and even rejoices in what others would call making a sacrifice. Another, whose love to me has been proven by the greatest possible test, is now there. He has sent me several clusters of the most delicious fruits. After tasting them, all food here seems insipid.

Two or three times I have been down by the border of the river that forms the boundary, and have wished myself among the company of those who were singing praises to the King on the other side. Many of my friends have moved there. Before leaving they spoke of my coming later. I have seen the smile upon their faces as they passed out of sight. Often I am asked to make some new investments here, but my answer in every case is, "I am getting ready to move."

--Selected

***

The words often on Jesus' lips in His last days express vividly the idea, "going to the Father." We, too, who are Christ's people, have vision of something beyond the difficulties and disappointments of this life. We are journeying towards fulfillment, completion, expansion of life. We, too, are "going to the Father." Much is dim concerning our home-country, but two things are clear. It is home, "the Father's House." It is the nearer presence of the Lord. We are all wayfarers, but the believer knows it and accepts it. He is a traveller, not a settler.

--R. C. Gillie

***

The little birds trust God, for they go singing

From northern woods where autumn winds have blown,

With joyous faith their trackless pathway winging

To summer-lands of song, afar, unknown.

Let us go singing, then, and not go sighing:

Since we are sure our times are in His hand,

Why should we weep, and fear, and call it dying?

'Tis only flitting to a Summer-land.

--Selected

http://www.crosswalk.com/devotionals/desert/

WooHoo!

Heaven is supposed to be our focus.

[goldust59]

That was uplifting Matthitjah!

Been thinking on some of these posts & also those about the little boy Colton. I know that the Bible is God's Holy Word to us & believe that it contains everything that we need to know about how we are to live for Him. It is our guidebook to learn of Him & how to live in a manner pleasing to our Father. It has instruction & warning from Him that is all for our benefit.

I must say though that I don't think that God told us everything about what He does; just what we needed to get through this temporary part of life. (There are some one-liners in the OT that I really wish He had told more about; but I guess we didn't really need to know in the here and now. ) Something not mentioned in scripture are dinosaurs. Are they not real because they are not 'scriptural'?

I think we should be careful about what we say of others' experiences. Who are we to question what the Father does or doesn't do in the life of another.

[~candice~]

A lot of "if it does not fit with scripture it cannot be true" has been wielded about the boards with regard to heaven and has anyone seen it lately.

I am not being contentious here but, if anyone had read these words before they were included in the bible, I wonder what they would have said?

Eze 10:7 And a cherub stretched out his hand from between the cherubim to the fire that was between the cherubim, and took some of it and put it into the hands of the man clothed in linen, who took it and went out.

Eze 10:8 The cherubim appeared to have the form of a human hand under their wings.

Eze 10:9 And I looked, and behold, there were four wheels beside the cherubim, one beside each cherub, and the appearance of the wheels was like sparkling beryl.

Eze 10:10 And as for their appearance, the four had the same likeness, as if a wheel were within a wheel.

Eze 10:11 When they went, they went in any of their four directions without turning as they went, but in whatever direction the front wheel faced, the others followed without turning as they went.

Eze 10:12 And their whole body, their rims, and their spokes, their wings, and the wheels were full of eyes all around--the wheels that the four of them had.

Eze 10:13 As for the wheels, they were called in my hearing "the whirling wheels."

Ezekiel was mad? What he was writing about was nonsense? That he was a prophet?

The whole direction of the posts just got me to thinking, how were the words of the prophets we know and love first accepted?

With great suspicion, as it should be. It would have been compared to the Word and if even the slightest thing contradicted, the word should have been thrown out and the prophet killed. But oh how the standards have changed?

This prophecy obviously doesn't contradict the Word, as strange and unusual as it is. But the kid's did. So game over, it's rejected.

[goldust59]

A lot of "if it does not fit with scripture it cannot be true" has been wielded about the boards with regard to heaven and has anyone seen it lately.

I am not being contentious here but, if anyone had read these words before they were included in the bible, I wonder what they would have said?

Eze 10:7 And a cherub stretched out his hand from between the cherubim to the fire that was between the cherubim, and took some of it and put it into the hands of the man clothed in linen, who took it and went out.

Eze 10:8 The cherubim appeared to have the form of a human hand under their wings.

Eze 10:9 And I looked, and behold, there were four wheels beside the cherubim, one beside each cherub, and the appearance of the wheels was like sparkling beryl.

Eze 10:10 And as for their appearance, the four had the same likeness, as if a wheel were within a wheel.

Eze 10:11 When they went, they went in any of their four directions without turning as they went, but in whatever direction the front wheel faced, the others followed without turning as they went.

Eze 10:12 And their whole body, their rims, and their spokes, their wings, and the wheels were full of eyes all around--the wheels that the four of them had.

Eze 10:13 As for the wheels, they were called in my hearing "the whirling wheels."

Ezekiel was mad? What he was writing about was nonsense? That he was a prophet?

The whole direction of the posts just got me to thinking, how were the words of the prophets we know and love first accepted?

With great suspicion, as it should be. It would have been compared to the Word and if even the slightest thing contradicted, the word should have been thrown out and the prophet killed. But oh how the standards have changed?

This prophecy obviously doesn't contradict the Word, as strange and unusual as it is. But the kid's did. So game over, it's rejected.

What Word exactly would Ezekiel's vision been compared to in his day? Maybe the book of Enoch, which isn't even considered part of the Word as we know it today.

[~candice~]

I don't oppose to a prophecy containing NEW material that isn't found in the Word, just as I am not opposed to visions of heaven containing NEW material. I only oppose to visions containing contradictory material. Ezekial's prophecy was strange, new, but didn't contradict anything in the Word (at that time). If I were there, I hope I would keep it at arm's distance and pray to the Lord, asking if it were of Him.

I do believe people can 'taste and see that the Lord is good'. He still talks to us today, personally. Dreams and visions I am OK with, afterall, they are to happen in the end times.

I just value His Word and the second something even smells like a contradiction, I'm outta there .