2 Israels?

[Guest shiloh357]

So, you do not believe Jew and Gentile are attached to something greater than either when they have faith in Yeshua? Romans 11. That this vehicle (which did not change from covenant to covenant, btw) is not the spiritual house of Israel... in your pov shiloh?

I did not any of that. I do not see how that line of questions applies to anything I said.

Look, I am simply correcting your initial incorrect definition of Replacement Theology. Jewish and Gentile believers are part of the congregation of Yeshua which is a distinct subset within Israel.

The Bible never refers to anything like a "spiritual house of Israel." The Bible simply refers to Israel. Gentiles are grafted into the comunity and partake of the benefits being part of that community through faith in Jesus.

And stop with the superior attitude yourself.

I am not the one acting like everyone else is groping in darkness. The only one with the attitude is you.

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I guess I'll keep going this alone until someone is burdened with seeing the light. {{{sigh}}}

Beloved As A Gentle Believer

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Revelation 1:5-6

I Hold No Title Deed

And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Genesis 15:17-18

To The Land Of Israel

This is the land which ye shall divide by lot unto the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their portions, saith the Lord GOD. Ezekiel 48:29

That Belongs To The Brothers Twelve

For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.

And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.

Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzi-bah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee. Isaiah 62:1-5

But My Portion

It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The LORD is there. Ezekiel 48:35

Is The LORD

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

Poor Me (So Not!)

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. Numbers 6:24-26

Be Very Blessed

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Jesusplusnothing]

Ok. We are grafted into the Isaac "branch".

That is not what the Bible says. The Bible says that Gentiles are grafted into the tree. You should not add to the metaphor.]

The claims that Israel is the "tree" means that it is also the trunk and "root".

That is what the metaphor illustrates. "Israel" is a natural olive tree.

Israel does not distinguish the Covenant, Isaac does.

Those in Isaac by faith, can not boast, because they got there the same way Isaac did, by the Abraham-root type of faith.

The Bible does not say we are in Isaac. The Bible says that all believers are the seed of Abraham by faith.

Since I am already in Issac by faith, you will never convince me that I need to be grafted into Jacob/Israel.

You are not in Isaac. You are the spiritual seed of Abraham. We are in Christ by faith, not Isaac. You need to stop trying to make up theology and read your Bible.

Secondly, being grafted into Israel does not mean being grafted into a physical people group. It refers to being joined to a community of faith, namely what Paul refers to as "Israel."

Jesus is the Christ.

Galatians 3:16 The natural "seed of Abraham" is Isaac. The spiritual "seed of Abraham" is Christ.

We brethren are like Isaac, the Seed of Abraham.

Paul never said that Israel was the good olive tree.

The tree that Israel was cut out of has Abraham for the "root" and Isaac as the trunk.

The tree you present starts with Jacob/Israel.

Conclusion: The church is not spiritual Israel; it is spiritual Isaac.

Jesus is Lord!

No we are not like Isaac. We are the spiritual seed of Abraham. The Bible never compares believers to Isaac.

Paul's metaphor is that the natural Olive Tree is Israel.

The root is Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

Your conclusion is erroneous because you are penciling things into the Bible that are contrary

Now we brethren, AS ISAAC WAS, are the child of promise. Galatians 4:28

Isaac was the natural "child God promissed".

We brethern are(spiritually) as Isaac was.

There is a natural "body-tree" and there is a spiritual "body-tree".

The natural body-Isaac can first, then the spiritual body of Christ. Galatians 3:16

The "root" of any family tree is always the father.

Abraham is the father of "we bretheren", the faithful.

The only one in the family line that Abraham was father to, was Isaac.

Praise the Lord!

[Guest shiloh357]

Now we brethren, AS ISAAC WAS, are the child of promise. Galatians 4:28

Isaac was the natural "child God promissed".

We brethern are(spiritually) as Isaac was.

Yes, we correspond to Isaac as children of promise, but we are not "in Isaac by faith" as you previously claimed. We are in Christ. We are NOT in Isaac.

There is a natural "body-tree" and there is a spiritual "body-tree".

No there is not. You are just making up stuff up. Your statement is not Scriptural.

The natural body-Isaac can first, then the spiritual body of Christ. Galatians 3:16

The "root" of any family tree is always the father.

Abraham is the father of "we bretheren", the faithful.

The only one in the family line that Abraham was father to, was Isaac.

Praise the Lord!

You are really mixed up. The Olive Tree is Israel. The Jews are the natural branches and the Gentile believers are the wild, grafted in branches. It is really that simple. You trying to make this far more complicated than it is, and you are butchering Scripture in the process.

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The "root" of any family tree is always the father. Abraham is the father of "we brethren", the faithful. The only one in the family line that Abraham was father to, was Isaac.

Dear One As I Am Sure You Know, The Root Of The Jew Is The LORD Jesus The Messiah

For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Romans 11:16-18

And All If Israel Is The Called Out Ones

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Genesis 12:1-3

Through Grandfather Abram

And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. Genesis 17:1-9

And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.

Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.

Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?

And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?

Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son. Genesis 18:10-14

And Yes, Through Isaac

And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,

And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. Genesis 22:15-18

Through Isaac

And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac. Genesis 25:5

And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son.

And he came near, and kissed him: and he smelled the smell of his raiment, and blessed him, and said, See, the smell of my son is as the smell of a field which the LORD hath blessed:

Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine:

Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee. Genesis 27:26-29

Through Jacob

And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land. Genesis 35:10-12

Yes, Jacob!

And Israel took his journey with all that he had, and came to Beer-sheba, and offered sacrifices unto the God of his father Isaac.

And God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here am I.

And he said, I am God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation: Genesis 46:1-3

And So It Will Be

So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel. Ezekiel 47:21

For Jesus Is Faithful And True

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Revelation 19:11

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. Numbers 6:24-26

Be Very Blessed

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:27

Love, Your Brother Joe

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Well spoken, Joe!

[Jesusplusnothing]

Through Jacob

And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land. Genesis 35:10-12

Yes, Jacob!

And Israel took his journey with all that he had, and came to Beer-sheba, and offered sacrifices unto the God of his father Isaac.

And God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here am I.

And he said, I am God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation: Genesis 46:1-3

And So It Will Be

Love, Your Brother Joe

Jesus is the Christ.

through Jacob??

And God spake to [/size=3] Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob Jacob.

And he said, Here am I.

What is the name of the he that answered this dream voice?

The voice that called Israel, "Jacob Jacob", after God said that he was not longer to be called that; did not come from the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Praise the Lord!

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Jacob

By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff. Hebrews 11:21

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The voice that called Israel, "Jacob Jacob", after God said that he was not longer to be called that; did not come from the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Dear One

And Israel took his journey with all that he had, and came to Beer-sheba, and offered sacrifices unto the God of his father Isaac.

And God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here am I.

And he said, I am God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation: Genesis 46:1-3

Still Israel

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: Romans 11:26

Still Jacob

I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. Matthew 22:32

Still The Beloved

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Romans 9:13

For Jesus Is Faithful And True

And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Revelation 3:14

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

Love, Your Brother Joe

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All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

[Fraught]

So, you do not believe Jew and Gentile are attached to something greater than either when they have faith in Yeshua? Romans 11. That this vehicle (which did not change from covenant to covenant, btw) is not the spiritual house of Israel... in your pov shiloh?

I did not any of that. I do not see how that line of questions applies to anything I said.

Look, I am simply correcting your initial incorrect definition of Replacement Theology. Jewish and Gentile believers are part of the congregation of Yeshua which is a distinct subset within Israel.

The Bible never refers to anything like a "spiritual house of Israel." The Bible simply refers to Israel. Gentiles are grafted into the comunity and partake of the benefits being part of that community through faith in Jesus.

And stop with the superior attitude yourself.

I am not the one acting like everyone else is groping in darkness. The only one with the attitude is you.

question. this is the 2nd post where you have mentioned the 'distinct subset within israel'. what does that mean?

[Guest yod]

question. this is the 2nd post where you have mentioned the 'distinct subset within israel'. what does that mean?

a group within a group.

Example: "Puppies" are a subset within the species known as "dogs". They are "dogs" but a distinctly different kind of "dog"

The remnant of Israel is a subset of Jews within the greater community of Israel.