Trump declares Obama's birth certificate fake

[MorningGlory]

Race? I am sick and tired of hearing the race card played. I was called a racist because I voted for McCain. Yes I voted, so yes I can complain.

Race has nothing to do with this, and MG do you forget the swill that was posted about bush? Stealing the two elections, how it was really his brother who got him the presidency?Or how about that he planned 9/11 to have an excuse to go to war with Iraq? Lots of stuff that was said that did not ever really go away. If you do not like the mud slinging, then stay out of politics. Its part of the game, sad as it is but you know its true.

The reason people clung to it is this, If it was some how proven true, then, in theory everything the president signed would become moot, and no longer law.

I belive the people who are on about this, feel the same way. Race is not the issue. As I have said before I did not pay much attention to his issue until about a month ago.

One thing I have noticed, he has tried to hide the place of his birth. He has spent money to keep it hidden. Why? Did Michelle Obama say he was born in Kenya?

Again many more questions then real answers.

You just regurgitated nearly all of the talking points circulated by the CTs. Also the 'but look what they did to Bush' rubbish is OLD; yes, Mr. Bush was unfairly criticized and wrongly accused; did he care? Didn't seem to; it's only the far right zombies that are still crying about that stuff (much as the far left zombies are still whining about what was done to Clinton). News flash; GWB is not one of you! Racism is alive and well in America; It is what it is and pretending it's not won't make it untrue.

[wyguy]

Racism is alive and well in America

Yep, and all races are guilty of it.

But I will say, I'm sick to death of the racist tag that the media pins on any white person who dares criticize Obama for ANYTHING.

[Isaiah 6:8]

You just regurgitated nearly all of the talking points circulated by the CTs. Also the 'but look what they did to Bush' rubbish is OLD; yes, Mr. Bush was unfairly criticized and wrongly accused; did he care? Didn't seem to; it's only the far right zombies that are still crying about that stuff (much as the far left zombies are still whining about what was done to Clinton). News flash; GWB is not one of you! Racism is alive and well in America; It is what it is and pretending it's not won't make it untrue.

One of you?... What are you referring to.

No it is alive and well, I know, but I don't think for one moment that race has to do with any one on this board's opinions about Obama. To make it that it is our motivation, is simply wrong and unjust. I have experienced racism many times, and I must say, its been towards me, from minority's, who cry race! I have had a boss mistreat me because I was not a "Brother" I have been accused of racism, simply because I was of a lighter color then they were, and they went off on how "Evil" white people were for being racist. The only time race is an issue at all, is when someone of any race under the sun makes it such. You must make it one otherwise it is not an issue. I am actually 1/4 Native American, my father is on a reservation at this moment, I am a minority. I have ample room to complain about racism and to pull the race card if I so wish, but I refuse to say that anything that is done to me is because of race. I refuse to play that game.

So tell me, are you accusing anyone here of being racist? If so just come out and say it, as thats the feeling I am getting from you.

Also Sunflowerwife did make a blatant statement that we were all raciest as this whole idea was driven by racism and racism alone, which as you have already state is not the only reason.

Also I did not decide to become a "Birther" lightly. I looked at what everyone has said, on both sides for years before making my decision. I have seen how this president has dealt with other issues. I have seen how he has tried to sweep embarrassing parts of his past under the rug, or explain it away, and in this he seems to be doing the same. I know all politicians do this, and this is one issue I feel he is dodging, and that is why I have even started to pay attention. I have also seen the video where Mrs, Obama said that Kenya was his home country, as well as aids is spread because of Homophobic people. Also the fact that this has gone on so long, has got my attention, since simply providing a birth certificate that was would end this.

Also the 'but look what they did to Bush' rubbish is OLD;

As for that statement I would agree but so is your statement of

This stuff IS all complete swill and makes the perpetrators look like morons.

I have seen this statement applied in many versions to anyone that does not happen to agree with what others belive. Not only you have said that. This is an old argument when there is nothing better to say or objective facts to bring in as proof. It is hurtful and spiteful and mean, however.

[Isaiah 6:8]

If you do not like the mud slinging, then stay out of politics. Its part of the game, sad as it is but you know its true.

Should we behave in this way though. Especially as those who belong to the Lord. Should we get our hands dirty in this manner?

No we should not, matter of fact the only reason I got involved in this thread, though I have been loosely keeping an eye on it, is that people pulled the racism card and accused all of us who belive that Obama was born elsewhere is a racist and that is over the line.

[wyguy]

You just regurgitated nearly all of the talking points circulated by the CTs. Also the 'but look what they did to Bush' rubbish is OLD; yes, Mr. Bush was unfairly criticized and wrongly accused; did he care? Didn't seem to; it's only the far right zombies that are still crying about that stuff (much as the far left zombies are still whining about what was done to Clinton). News flash; GWB is not one of you! Racism is alive and well in America; It is what it is and pretending it's not won't make it untrue.

One of you?... What are you referring to.

No it is alive and well, I know, but I don't think for one moment that race has to do with any one on this board's opinions about Obama. To make it that it is our motivation, is simply wrong and unjust. I have experienced racism many times, and I must say, its been towards me, from minority's, who cry race! I have had a boss mistreat me because I was not a "Brother" I have been accused of racism, simply because I was of a lighter color then they were, and they went off on how "Evil" white people were for being racist. The only time race is an issue at all, is when someone of any race under the sun makes it such. You must make it one otherwise it is not an issue. I am actually 1/4 Native American, my father is on a reservation at this moment, I am a minority. I have ample room to complain about racism and to pull the race card if I so wish, but I refuse to say that anything that is done to me is because of race. I refuse to play that game.

So tell me, are you accusing anyone here of being racist? If so just come out and say it, as thats the feeling I am getting from you.

Also Sunflowerwife did make a blatant statement that we were all raciest as this whole idea was driven by racism and racism alone, which as you have already state is not the only reason.

Also I did not decide to become a "Birther" lightly. I looked at what everyone has said, on both sides for years before making my decision. I have seen how this president has dealt with other issues. I have seen how he has tried to sweep embarrassing parts of his past under the rug, or explain it away, and in this he seems to be doing the same. I know all politicians do this, and this is one issue I feel he is dodging, and that is why I have even started to pay attention. I have also seen the video where Mrs, Obama said that Kenya was his home country, as well as aids is spread because of Homophobic people. Also the fact that this has gone on so long, has got my attention, since simply providing a birth certificate that was would end this.

Also the 'but look what they did to Bush' rubbish is OLD;

As for that statement I would agree but so is your statement of

This stuff IS all complete swill and makes the perpetrators look like morons.

I have seen this statement applied in many versions to anyone that does not happen to agree with what others belive. Not only you have said that. This is an old argument when there is nothing better to say or objective facts to bring in as proof. It is hurtful and spiteful and mean, however.

Well said!

[Isaiah 6:8]

Well said!

Tusan Takk!

[wyguy]

Well said!

Tusan Takk!

And coo coo ca-choo to you too, Mrs Robinson!

[MorningGlory]

No we should not, matter of fact the only reason I got involved in this thread, though I have been loosely keeping an eye on it, is that people pulled the racism card and accused all of us who belive that Obama was born elsewhere is a racist and that is over the line.

And with that statement starts the usual garbage.....NO ONE in this thread said the above (in bold). that is flat out untrue.. The posts were not about you personally nor did they accuse EVERYONE of being racist who believes the CTs. If you can quote a post that did, from anyone, please do so now.

[MorningGlory]

Racism is alive and well in America

Yep, and all races are guilty of it.

But I will say, I'm sick to death of the racist tag that the media pins on any white person who dares criticize Obama for ANYTHING.

Don't know about that stuff; I just know about people in my actual world.

[MorningGlory]

One of you?... What are you referring to.

GWB is NOT a conservative so why do does the right run to defend him so much?

So tell me, are you accusing anyone here of being racist? If so just come out and say it, as thats the feeling I am getting from you.

I ALWAYS come right out with it, Isaiah, so don't bait me. I'll not tolerate it.

It is hurtful and spiteful and mean, however.

Yeah, lots of stuff is classified that way that's merely true.