mizzdy Posted June 7, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 173 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,911 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 10 Joined: 03/21/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2011 Since we have been covered by the Blood of Christ and live under Grace.... In forgiving our sins, past and present, did the Blood also restore the Tree of Knowledge to us? We read that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was not for man at the time of Adam so it would seem its not meant for us today but frankly are we are all not eating of it daily? We know both good and evil where Adam and Eve seemed to not know that difference. Didn't those before Messiah also live under His grace? I often see so many say that those in the 'OT' didn't have His grace at all, boggles my mind really. shalom, Mizz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraught Posted June 7, 2011 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,741 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 28 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/23/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/30/1959 Share Posted June 7, 2011 In forgiving our sins, past and present, did the Blood also restore the Tree of Knowledge to us? I am not understanding the question. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was not meant for us to begin with. (The best explanation I've heard for what this tree is is it's the ability to figure out what is good an evil apart from God.) Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, Gen 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." I guess I am looking at the "you shall surely die". Physical or eternal? maybe both, but definitely physical. hebrew word for day same as for age so . . . read it as 'age' and it makes sense. they died the same 'day' they ate it. i am no longer sure they died spiritually as i used to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted June 7, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.88 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2011 In forgiving our sins, past and present, did the Blood also restore the Tree of Knowledge to us? I am not understanding the question. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was not meant for us to begin with. (The best explanation I've heard for what this tree is is it's the ability to figure out what is good an evil apart from God.) Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, Gen 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." I guess I am looking at the "you shall surely die". Physical or eternal? maybe both, but definitely physical. hebrew word for day same as for age so . . . read it as 'age' and it makes sense. they died the same 'day' they ate it. i am no longer sure they died spiritually as i used to believe. Their spirit did not cease to exist, it was separated from God, that is what 'spiritual' death is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 7, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 600 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,388 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,136 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2011 Just for those who dine on a little wild/inspired speculation.....Don't forget that having a stab at Adams age being from the time he sinned, or from the time he was created, perhaps has to take into account Adams age to start with....but the Bible is clear and talks about the actual number of years he lived on the earth Gen 5:3. Some have speculated that Adam lived hundreds of years in the Garden of Eden, but the biblical account does not allow for this...and speculation is only of limited merit when it tries to fill in the blanks and not when it attempts to paper over what is abundantly evident. Also both Adam and Eve were created and formed...they were not born, and ironically the first female came forth from a man, and as all children joke about, neither had belly-buttons. We know they were not born, but we do not know that God didn't give them belly buttons anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 7, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 600 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,388 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,136 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2011 In forgiving our sins, past and present, did the Blood also restore the Tree of Knowledge to us? I am not understanding the question. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was not meant for us to begin with. (The best explanation I've heard for what this tree is is it's the ability to figure out what is good an evil apart from God.) Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, Gen 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." I guess I am looking at the "you shall surely die". Physical or eternal? If you pick that sentence apart Fez, it doesn't necessarily say that they will die the day they eat of it...... it was the surity of death that happened that day. If you eat of it, some day you will surely die. If you don't eat of it you will live forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 7, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 600 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,388 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,136 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2011 In forgiving our sins, past and present, did the Blood also restore the Tree of Knowledge to us? I am not understanding the question. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was not meant for us to begin with. (The best explanation I've heard for what this tree is is it's the ability to figure out what is good an evil apart from God.) Neb, considering we are the entities that will judge the angels, I don't think I can agree that it was not meant for us. I think it was meant for Satan to furnish us with the capability to judge the angels. God, being a just God, would not want to create something to directly judge the angels since he was the injured party in their rebellion. Just good universal judgment theories of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 7, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 600 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,388 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,136 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 7, 2011 BTW all, Adam was 130 when seth was born, so the garden, Cain and Able's births and Able's death happened in the first 130 years of Adam's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botz Posted June 8, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,492 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 191 Days Won: 18 Joined: 03/29/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted June 8, 2011 Just for those who dine on a little wild/inspired speculation.....Don't forget that having a stab at Adams age being from the time he sinned, or from the time he was created, perhaps has to take into account Adams age to start with....but the Bible is clear and talks about the actual number of years he lived on the earth Gen 5:3. Some have speculated that Adam lived hundreds of years in the Garden of Eden, but the biblical account does not allow for this...and speculation is only of limited merit when it tries to fill in the blanks and not when it attempts to paper over what is abundantly evident. Also both Adam and Eve were created and formed...they were not born, and ironically the first female came forth from a man, and as all children joke about, neither had belly-buttons. Adam might have been created mature, but he was still created new. I'm going with 930 years from his creation til his physical death, I see no other way to read the text. ...That was my whole point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botz Posted June 8, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,492 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 191 Days Won: 18 Joined: 03/29/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted June 8, 2011 Just for those who dine on a little wild/inspired speculation.....Don't forget that having a stab at Adams age being from the time he sinned, or from the time he was created, perhaps has to take into account Adams age to start with....but the Bible is clear and talks about the actual number of years he lived on the earth Gen 5:3. Some have speculated that Adam lived hundreds of years in the Garden of Eden, but the biblical account does not allow for this...and speculation is only of limited merit when it tries to fill in the blanks and not when it attempts to paper over what is abundantly evident. Also both Adam and Eve were created and formed...they were not born, and ironically the first female came forth from a man, and as all children joke about, neither had belly-buttons. I would also like to ask on what earth did Adam live? I would think that the earth was probably changed after the fall. So would we consider that also? Would we consider that the world that Adam as created into was not the same world that we was banished into? Just more wild speculation. Lol....well Scripture doesn't use the word 'earth'...it simply says he 'lived/existed' for 930 years in totem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted June 8, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.88 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 8, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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