hell is for the sin, not the sinner

[Gods_girl111]

faith is believing in something you dont see. the Bible is Gods word, without it we wouldnt know about our past. but He doesnt want to be put into his secular way of thinking. Hes so much more.

What do you mean by a "secular way of thinking?"

that all you have to do is believe on His name, and that everyone else is wrong. as a christian, we are to spread Gods word, not tell people theyre wrong for not believing. the only person who can what is right or wrong is God.

when i was an atheist i couldnt stand christians. always telling other they had a speck in their eye, when they had a blank in their own. someone who doesnt know God doesnt understand the concept of sin. so no matter how big their sin, its still smaller than any sin someone commits, who does believe. someone who doesnt believe in God hears that certain things are sin, but if they dont believe in God then they dont believe in sin. they believe its their life and their body and they have no concept of the spiritual realm, no matter how spiritual they may be.

God let me lead the life i led as an atheist so that now as a believer, i know how to communicate with unbelievers in a nonjudgmental way. when i hear something that goes against His law, i let others know that it is wrong according to God, but it is something i personally suffered/suffer with or that i understand why its so appealing. i tell them that i am not condemning them, i just have to say what God puts on my heart and i have to spread my seed and that ill pray He waters it.

I get the part of being non-judgmental. It makes no sense to beat unbelievers over the head concerning sins they are committing. We need to give them the message of the gospel, because simply turning over a new leaf won't save them. At the same time, when a person is an atheist or in a pagan religion, they are lost and hell bound. Even if it comes across harsh or judgemental to the non-believer, it is true. Galatians 4:16

Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

There are many religions, but there is only one way of salvation, and that is through faith in Christ. Acts 4:12

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Jesus said in Matthew 7:14

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

I am wondering if you have read the Bible through? If not, I would suggest you start in Matthew and read the New Testament. I think you will be surprised at some of the things it says.

i did read the Bible genisis through revelation last fall.

[Guest Butero]

haha i was just thinking something about God speaking to moses through the burning bush and realized i said it was abraham that He spoke to! yall didnt catch that!

I guess we were overwhelmed by the doctrinal positions you were taking and overlooked it? That was obviously just a mistake.

[Guest Butero]

You read the entire Bible last fall? That is quite an accomplishment. I have read the Bible through in 6 months, and that required me to read 7 or 8 chapters a day. You might want to go back and re-read it slower? The only reason I say that is because you are saying things that are contrary to the teachings of Christ and the Apostles.

[Gods_girl111]

God is THE word. God is EVERYTHING. Hes not just Him, Hes us. we are the body of Christ. not just the believers, EVERYONE. He is the light of ALL mand kind, and the darkness has NOT overcome it, no mater what!

I was just reading this post you wrote, and there are a couple of things that I find troubling. You say in reference to God, "He's not just Him, He's us." What do you mean by that? It sounds like you are saying that we are God.

Then you say, "We are the body of Christ. Not just the believers, EVERYONE." Are you saying that even the pagans are the body of Christ?"

Neither of those comments are scriptural.

im not saying WE are God. but God is us. God put Himself in us, so that we could live. im not saying that without us Hes not Him, but we are a part of Him.

and without the pagans we wouldnt have an example of what pagan is... and then the world wouldnt have been shaped the way it needs to be.

But are you saying that the pagans are "the body of Christ?" Are you saying they are going to heaven when they die?

the pagans wouldnt be alive if it werent for God living in them. satan, who is the master of sin and the reason for sin, is the one who is going to suffer in hell for misleading us.

if it werent for Christ and Gods love and mercy we would ALL, even the believers, be going to hell. we are told, not only to have faith, but to repent. and there are things that we today wouldnt consider to be sin, but that doesnt make them sin.

women are not supposed to wear mens clothing (pants)

we are not to paint on our body (make up is paint)

there were certain ways God said our hair should be

men are not supposed to shave their face

and if men arent supposed to shave their face, i cant imagine its ok for women to shave their legs.

we are supposed to be modest, do you really think God looks at a female wearing a two piece swim suit, and is happy with it? we might as well walk around in our underwear!

and numerous others

my mom tells me, "its a different time, God understands that." just because Christ came and died for our sins, it didnt exclude the law. the law doesnt just say that being gay is wrong, or that cheating on your spouse is wrong. or that just looking at porn is wrong.

[Gods_girl111]

You read the entire Bible last fall? That is quite an accomplishment. I have read the Bible through in 6 months, and that required me to read 7 or 8 chapters a day. You might want to go back and re-read it slower? The only reason I say that is because you are saying things that are contrary to the teachings of Christ and the Apostles.

i was pregnant last year and had a high risk pregnancy and unable to work. i spent anywhere between 3 to 9 hours a day reading the Bible. and like i said before "God didnt want me to be filled with head knowledge of the Bible, He wants me to filled with His knowledge. and the same goes for everyone. if you get so caught up in what the Bible says, then youre getting filled with head knowledge and not leaving any room for God take you out the christian "box" and to do something extraordinary."

[Gods_girl111]

i started this knowing that i wasnt going to get a welcoming response.

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

[Guest Butero]

God is THE word. God is EVERYTHING. Hes not just Him, Hes us. we are the body of Christ. not just the believers, EVERYONE. He is the light of ALL mand kind, and the darkness has NOT overcome it, no mater what!

I was just reading this post you wrote, and there are a couple of things that I find troubling. You say in reference to God, "He's not just Him, He's us." What do you mean by that? It sounds like you are saying that we are God.

Then you say, "We are the body of Christ. Not just the believers, EVERYONE." Are you saying that even the pagans are the body of Christ?"

Neither of those comments are scriptural.

im not saying WE are God. but God is us. God put Himself in us, so that we could live. im not saying that without us Hes not Him, but we are a part of Him.

and without the pagans we wouldnt have an example of what pagan is... and then the world wouldnt have been shaped the way it needs to be.

But are you saying that the pagans are "the body of Christ?" Are you saying they are going to heaven when they die?

the pagans wouldnt be alive if it werent for God living in them. satan, who is the master of sin and the reason for sin, is the one who is going to suffer in hell for misleading us.

if it werent for Christ and Gods love and mercy we would ALL, even the believers, be going to hell. we are told, not only to have faith, but to repent. and there are things that we today wouldnt consider to be sin, but that doesnt make them sin.

women are not supposed to wear mens clothing (pants)

we are not to paint on our body (make up is paint)

there were certain ways God said our hair should be

men are not supposed to shave their face

and if men arent supposed to shave their face, i cant imagine its ok for women to shave their legs.

we are supposed to be modest, do you really think God looks at a female wearing a two piece swim suit, and is happy with it? we might as well walk around in our underwear!

and numerous others

my mom tells me, "its a different time, God understands that." just because Christ came and died for our sins, it didnt exclude the law. the law doesnt just say that being gay is wrong, or that cheating on your spouse is wrong. or that just looking at porn is wrong.

I agree with some of the things you said that are in scripture, and other things I don't see as in the Bible. I do agree with you about pants, and hair. The Bible doesn't address make-up. Men aren't to shave in a certain way that is a form of worship of idols. There is nothing in scripture forbidding women to shave their legs. We are to be modest. Homosexuality is mentioned in the New and Old Testament as being a sin. Thou shalt not commit adultery is one of the 10 Commandments. The sin of porn is that it leads to lust. Rather than turning this into a thread arguing over specific sinful behaviors, I think we should focus on your point in bringing this up? Is it to say that these things no longer apply? When it comes to sinful behavior, if it was wrong then, it is wrong now. The question is, are these things all sins? There are things in the Old Testament that no longer apply because they dealt with the office of the Levitical priesthood or they were to show Israel to be separate from the idol worshipping nations around them. Nothing simply ceased to apply because it was "a differen't time."

Again, I don't want to argue specifics here because that will simply take us into left field.

[Gods_girl111]

God is THE word. God is EVERYTHING. Hes not just Him, Hes us. we are the body of Christ. not just the believers, EVERYONE. He is the light of ALL mand kind, and the darkness has NOT overcome it, no mater what!

I was just reading this post you wrote, and there are a couple of things that I find troubling. You say in reference to God, "He's not just Him, He's us." What do you mean by that? It sounds like you are saying that we are God.

Then you say, "We are the body of Christ. Not just the believers, EVERYONE." Are you saying that even the pagans are the body of Christ?"

Neither of those comments are scriptural.

im not saying WE are God. but God is us. God put Himself in us, so that we could live. im not saying that without us Hes not Him, but we are a part of Him.

and without the pagans we wouldnt have an example of what pagan is... and then the world wouldnt have been shaped the way it needs to be.

But are you saying that the pagans are "the body of Christ?" Are you saying they are going to heaven when they die?

the pagans wouldnt be alive if it werent for God living in them. satan, who is the master of sin and the reason for sin, is the one who is going to suffer in hell for misleading us.

if it werent for Christ and Gods love and mercy we would ALL, even the believers, be going to hell. we are told, not only to have faith, but to repent. and there are things that we today wouldnt consider to be sin, but that doesnt make them sin.

women are not supposed to wear mens clothing (pants)

we are not to paint on our body (make up is paint)

there were certain ways God said our hair should be

men are not supposed to shave their face

and if men arent supposed to shave their face, i cant imagine its ok for women to shave their legs.

we are supposed to be modest, do you really think God looks at a female wearing a two piece swim suit, and is happy with it? we might as well walk around in our underwear!

and numerous others

my mom tells me, "its a different time, God understands that." just because Christ came and died for our sins, it didnt exclude the law. the law doesnt just say that being gay is wrong, or that cheating on your spouse is wrong. or that just looking at porn is wrong.

I agree with some of the things you said that are in scripture, and other things I don't see as in the Bible. I do agree with you about pants, and hair. The Bible doesn't address make-up. Men aren't to shave in a certain way that is a form of worship of idols. There is nothing in scripture forbidding women to shave their legs. We are to be modest. Homosexuality is mentioned in the New and Old Testament as being a sin. Thou shalt not commit adultery is one of the 10 Commandments. The sin of porn is that it leads to lust. Rather than turning this into a thread arguing over specific sinful behaviors, I think we should focus on your point in bringing this up? Is it to say that these things no longer apply? When it comes to sinful behavior, if it was wrong then, it is wrong now. The question is, are these things all sins? There are things in the Old Testament that no longer apply because they dealt with the office of the Levitical priesthood or they were to show Israel to be separate from the idol worshipping nations around them. Nothing simply ceased to apply because it was "a differen't time."

Again, I don't want to argue specifics here because that will simply take us into left field.

IM not saying that these thing cease to apply. im saying that christians (in general) think that just because Christ died for us that some things dont apply. and whether or not something was a sin in the past to separate us from another group of people, shouldnt we still be separating ourselves from these groups? after believing in Christ we are to repent from ALL sin, not just the ones we think apply.

[Guest Butero]

i started this knowing that i wasnt going to get a welcoming response.

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

[Guest Butero]

God is THE word. God is EVERYTHING. Hes not just Him, Hes us. we are the body of Christ. not just the believers, EVERYONE. He is the light of ALL mand kind, and the darkness has NOT overcome it, no mater what!

I was just reading this post you wrote, and there are a couple of things that I find troubling. You say in reference to God, "He's not just Him, He's us." What do you mean by that? It sounds like you are saying that we are God.

Then you say, "We are the body of Christ. Not just the believers, EVERYONE." Are you saying that even the pagans are the body of Christ?"

Neither of those comments are scriptural.

im not saying WE are God. but God is us. God put Himself in us, so that we could live. im not saying that without us Hes not Him, but we are a part of Him.

and without the pagans we wouldnt have an example of what pagan is... and then the world wouldnt have been shaped the way it needs to be.

But are you saying that the pagans are "the body of Christ?" Are you saying they are going to heaven when they die?

the pagans wouldnt be alive if it werent for God living in them. satan, who is the master of sin and the reason for sin, is the one who is going to suffer in hell for misleading us.

if it werent for Christ and Gods love and mercy we would ALL, even the believers, be going to hell. we are told, not only to have faith, but to repent. and there are things that we today wouldnt consider to be sin, but that doesnt make them sin.

women are not supposed to wear mens clothing (pants)

we are not to paint on our body (make up is paint)

there were certain ways God said our hair should be

men are not supposed to shave their face

and if men arent supposed to shave their face, i cant imagine its ok for women to shave their legs.

we are supposed to be modest, do you really think God looks at a female wearing a two piece swim suit, and is happy with it? we might as well walk around in our underwear!

and numerous others

my mom tells me, "its a different time, God understands that." just because Christ came and died for our sins, it didnt exclude the law. the law doesnt just say that being gay is wrong, or that cheating on your spouse is wrong. or that just looking at porn is wrong.

I agree with some of the things you said that are in scripture, and other things I don't see as in the Bible. I do agree with you about pants, and hair. The Bible doesn't address make-up. Men aren't to shave in a certain way that is a form of worship of idols. There is nothing in scripture forbidding women to shave their legs. We are to be modest. Homosexuality is mentioned in the New and Old Testament as being a sin. Thou shalt not commit adultery is one of the 10 Commandments. The sin of porn is that it leads to lust. Rather than turning this into a thread arguing over specific sinful behaviors, I think we should focus on your point in bringing this up? Is it to say that these things no longer apply? When it comes to sinful behavior, if it was wrong then, it is wrong now. The question is, are these things all sins? There are things in the Old Testament that no longer apply because they dealt with the office of the Levitical priesthood or they were to show Israel to be separate from the idol worshipping nations around them. Nothing simply ceased to apply because it was "a differen't time."

Again, I don't want to argue specifics here because that will simply take us into left field.

IM not saying that these thing cease to apply. im saying that christians (in general) think that just because Christ died for us that some things dont apply. and whether or not something was a sin in the past to separate us from another group of people, shouldnt we still be separating ourselves from these groups? after believing in Christ we are to repent from ALL sin, not just the ones we think apply.

We, the gentiles, were the ones who the Jews, (God's people) were separate from. An example would be not to wear a garment made of two materials. Another would be dietary laws. When we continue to hold to those laws, it represents us being outcasts. Any laws dealing with God's standard of holiness still apply. Some things obviously don't apply, like the laws telling us to bring a bull to a priest to sacrifice for our sins. Those laws were only to apply till Jesus came and died on the cross.