The Rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3

[OneLight]

If you read past Revelation 6, and the Sixth Seal, you will find who they are in Revelation 7. They are those who came out of the Great Tribulation, not the body of Christ that "was" caught up to be with Christ.

Go back to Jesus' words in Matt 24 about what happens after the great tribulation is cut short:

15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

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21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25Behold, I have told you before.

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29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Jesus said the false christs/false prophets/false miracles rise up after the great tribulation is cut short.

Jesus said the sun/moon darken/stars fall (6th seal) immediately after the great tribulation is over.

Rev 7 shows a multitude who have come out of great tribulation standing in heaven, and says they have washed in the blood of the Lamb. People have washed in the blood of the Lamb for almost 2000 years - since the death/ascension of Jesus.

The great tribulation has been going on for almost 2000 years and will be cut short before the false christs/false prophets/false miracles arise and the 6th seal begins - according to Jesus.

The multitude in Rev 7 is the glorified church, the body of Christ who has endured the great tribulation for 2000 years and is caught up to the throne of God prior to wrath.

This moment is imminent.

I will stick to the one subject at a time, which is who they were and who they were not. This is explained in Revelation 7 and we need to look nowhere else.

[goldust59]

I know what the robes stand for & they are not "clothes of immortality".

Well, I don't know how to respond because you haven't posted any scripture confirming what you are stating.

We are to overcome til the end, so what do you see as 'the end'? What do you see the overcomers having to overcome?

Death is the end. Judgment comes at the return of Christ. The Bride/Body of Christ overcomes sin/unrighteousness by the blood of the Lamb.

Those who are resurrected having been beheaded during the time of wrath are judged by the church, by works. They are given the same reward as the church- to be included with the church.

I disagree that the last martyrs are those that choose to believe after a rapture has taken place.

Revelation 12 proves the point. There is a manchild who is snatched up to the throne of God while the "rest of the women's offspring" are chased around by the devil during the time of wrath.

And I don't recall part of the 'church' having to judge another part of the 'church' either. Is that what you mean when you say judgement begins with the people of God? Peter was talking about being partakers of Christ's sufferings on earth in the passage about judgement beginning at house of God. (1 Peter 4:12-20)

Those who are not ready when Christ appears are under wrath which is why they die at the hands of the beast. Those who are not ready when Christ appears are part of the world.

1Cr 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Rev 20:4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

They will be judged by the church who is given authority to judge. They are judged for their works (beheading by the beast for belief in Christ) by those who have been given authority to judge (the church).

"Those not ready" that you are talking about are written about in Rev 14:12,13 -Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me. Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow them.

How do see that these are part of the world? No one can be saved by works, only by the blood of Jesus. The scripture above says they keep the testimony of Jesus, so they are not of the world. Another reason I don't believe there is a rapture that separates the believers. I believe we come through it all, & yes many give their lives, but in the end, we have victory.

[OneLight]

If you read past Revelation 6, and the Sixth Seal, you will find who they are in Revelation 7. They are those who came out of the Great Tribulation, not the body of Christ that "was" caught up to be with Christ.

Go back to Jesus' words in Matt 24 about what happens after the great tribulation is cut short:

15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

...

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25Behold, I have told you before.

...

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Jesus said the false christs/false prophets/false miracles rise up after the great tribulation is cut short.

Jesus said the sun/moon darken/stars fall (6th seal) immediately after the great tribulation is over.

Rev 7 shows a multitude who have come out of great tribulation standing in heaven, and says they have washed in the blood of the Lamb. People have washed in the blood of the Lamb for almost 2000 years - since the death/ascension of Jesus.

The great tribulation has been going on for almost 2000 years and will be cut short before the false christs/false prophets/false miracles arise and the 6th seal begins - according to Jesus.

The multitude in Rev 7 is the glorified church, the body of Christ who has endured the great tribulation for 2000 years and is caught up to the throne of God prior to wrath.

This moment is imminent.

I will stick to the one subject at a time, which is who they were and who they were not. This is explained in Revelation 7 and we need to look nowhere else.

OK.

Revelation 7 defines who they are:

13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

People who are washed in the blood of the Lamb are the church/Bride/Body of Christ and we've been doing that for about 2000 years since Christ's death/ascension.

Revelation 7 also says they came out of great tribulation. Jesus told us when that ends and what happens after it in Matt 24.

Yes, you are correct. The Great Tribulation ends when God says, "It Is Finished" at the Seventh Bowl. These who are in heaven prior to the rapture are part of the church, but are not the church. I can see that your usage of the word church and mine are different. You see it as if a few people are there, it is the church. I see the church as all the believers. This is why I don't like the word because it can be used in so many ways. This leads to confusion. To say that the church is in heaven for the past 2000 years is inaccurate. Some have been, those who have died, but not the whole.

[OneLight]

Yes, you are correct. The Great Tribulation ends when God says, "It Is Finished" at the Seventh Bowl.

The great tribulation is not mentioned in the 7th bowl.

You are greatly mistaking.

Revelation 16:17

[ Seventh Bowl: The Earth Utterly Shaken ] Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, “It is done!”

These who are in heaven prior to the rapture are part of the church, but are not the church. I can see that your usage of the word church and mine are different. You see it as if a few people are there, it is the church. I see the church as all the believers. This is why I don't like the word because it can be used in so many ways. This leads to confusion. To say that the church is in heaven for the past 2000 years is inaccurate. Some have been, those who have died, but not the whole.

Ok, no...you're missing what Jesus said.

Jesus said in Matt 24 that the great tribulation will be cut short followed by the rising of the antichrist/false prophet/false miracles. Jesus said immediately after the tribulation, the sun/moon darken/stars fall which is the 6th seal.

The time of wrath begins after the great tribulation is cut short (rev 6 - 6th seal) -

17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The multitude in Rev 7 are standing before the throne of God in heaven wearing white robes (given in the 5th seal), having come out of great tribulation (that Jesus said ends before the 6th seal) and having washed in the blood of the Lamb (which has been going on for 2000 years).

What happens just before the 6th seal?

1. Great tribulation ends

2. White robes are given - 5th seal.

What happens after the great tribulation ends?

1. 6th seal

2. antichrist/false prophet/false miracles arise during time of wrath

3. Wrath (7th seal - trumpets, beasts, bowls)

In Rev 7, the fact that the multitude is wearing white robes tells you when this moment in time is. The fact that they have come out of great tribulation tells you when this moment in time is.

The fact that they have washed in the blood of the Lamb confirms who they are and how long the great tribulation lasted.

The fact that they are standing before the throne of God and the Lamb, praising God for salvation confirms that it is the glorified, raptured church/the body of Christ/the Bride - the entire church/bride/body of Christ up to that moment in time.

By the way, the "it is finished" in the 7th bowl refers to the seven-sealed scroll. It was the seven-sealed scroll that Jesus was worthy to take upon His ascension and begin to open. The 7th bowl/7th trumpet of the 7th seal is the last thing to take place before Jesus comes to destroy and take over the earth.

You have it wrong. The trumpets and bowls are part of the Great Tribulation. Just because it is mentioned in Matthew 24 that "unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. ", this does not mean it stopped right then and there. . In fact, the prior sentence states that "there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be." The world has never seen anything like the wrath of God before.

When God said "It Is Done", He meant His wrath, not the Six Seals. May I ask where you get your understanding from? Are you doing this alone or do you have a teacher?

[goldust59]

I know what the robes stand for & they are not "clothes of immortality".

Well, I don't know how to respond because you haven't posted any scripture confirming what you are stating.

We are to overcome til the end, so what do you see as 'the end'? What do you see the overcomers having to overcome?

Death is the end. Judgment comes at the return of Christ. The Bride/Body of Christ overcomes sin/unrighteousness by the blood of the Lamb.

Those who are resurrected having been beheaded during the time of wrath are judged by the church, by works. They are given the same reward as the church- to be included with the church.

I disagree that the last martyrs are those that choose to believe after a rapture has taken place.

Revelation 12 proves the point. There is a manchild who is snatched up to the throne of God while the "rest of the women's offspring" are chased around by the devil during the time of wrath.

And I don't recall part of the 'church' having to judge another part of the 'church' either. Is that what you mean when you say judgement begins with the people of God? Peter was talking about being partakers of Christ's sufferings on earth in the passage about judgement beginning at house of God. (1 Peter 4:12-20)

Those who are not ready when Christ appears are under wrath which is why they die at the hands of the beast. Those who are not ready when Christ appears are part of the world.

1Cr 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Rev 20:4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

They will be judged by the church who is given authority to judge. They are judged for their works (beheading by the beast for belief in Christ) by those who have been given authority to judge (the church).

"Those not ready" that you are talking about are written about in Rev 14:12,13 -Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me. Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow them.

How do see that these are part of the world? No one can be saved by works, only by the blood of Jesus. The scripture above says they keep the testimony of Jesus, so they are not of the world. Another reason I don't believe there is a rapture that separates the believers. I believe we come through it all, & yes many give their lives, but in the end, we have victory.

Saved? - yes, salvation is by Jesus.

Judgment? - either by the blood of Christ or by works.

You quoted Rev 14:12, 13 where it describes "saints" who are around while the devil's beast is forcing people to take the mark of the beast. It says "they keep the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus" which are the exact same people as described as "the rest of the woman's offspring" in Rev 12:17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

In Rev 14, which you quoted, it says "their works do follow them". In Rev 20, those who die at the hands of the beast, refusing the mark, beheaded for their witness of Jesus are being judged NOT BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB but by works: specifically refusing to worship the beast or take the mark while having the testimony of Jesus.

The millennium is all about judgment BY WORKS - when wrath begins (6th seal) the time has passed to be judged by the blood of the Lamb.

What you aren't quite getting is WHY those who are beheaded by the beast are not included in the church until after they die.

When Jesus appears, all who have died in Christ (up to that moment in time) and those who are alive and accept Jesus sacrifice for their sins are changed to immortality and caught up to God.

We, who have chosen Christ NOW, are not under the wrath of God that begins in the 6th seal/7th seal.

Those who have not chosen Christ at the time He appears WILL BE UNDER WRATH and that wrath includes the beast/false prophet who forces the people alive on the earth to make a choice for eternity.

The bride is not divided at the moment of the rapture of the church. We are one. There are people who will choose to believe (the rest of the woman's offspring) after we are gone who will be judged by works in the first resurrection of the millennium AFTER Christ has already bound the devil and destroyed the people with the mark. They will be judged by their works and given the same reward as the church. It's a second chance for those who miss the rapture but they will have to die for their beliefs in order to make it.

Oh, I'm getting it alright, I am just seeing things totally different than you are.

No one that accepts Jesus as Savior is under God's wrath, no matter when they accept Him. John 3:36~He that believes on the Son has everlasting life; and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him.

[goldust59]

You are greatly mistaking.

Revelation 16:17

[ Seventh Bowl: The Earth Utterly Shaken ] Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, “It is done!”

The "it is finished" in the 7th bowl refers to the seven-sealed scroll. It was the seven-sealed scroll that Jesus was worthy to take upon His ascension and begin to open. The seven-sealed scroll is the written means by which Jesus brings down the dominion of the devil over the earth. The 7th bowl/7th trumpet of the 7th seal is the last thing to take place before Jesus comes to destroy and take over the earth.

You have it wrong. The trumpets and bowls are part of the Great Tribulation.

There is no scriptural basis for this belief.

There is scriptural basis for this though:

Matt 24:21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25Behold, I have told you before.

...

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Just because it is mentioned in Matthew 24 that "unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. ", this does not mean it stopped right then and there. . In fact, the prior sentence states that "there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be." The world has never seen anything like the wrath of God before.

The great tribulation is not the wrath of God, according to Jesus. Jesus said that the great tribulation is cut short before the wrath begins.

The abomination of desolation is what began the great tribulation. The great tribulation has been going on for nearly 2000 years. It is the longest and most intense period of time in the history of the world. Think about what Israel alone has been through in the last 2000 years! We've had wars, famines, plagues, persecution, pestilence - it's been horrific! The church has endured it.

When God said "It Is Done", He meant His wrath, not the Six Seals.

The wrath started in the 6th seal and is poured out in the 7th seal and includes the beast, trumpets and bowls.

So, yeah, "it is done" included the 3 1/2 years of wrath but also included the 2000 year great tribulation that began when Israel rejected Jesus and He sent His armies to desolate Israel until the time of the end. Ezek 14:21.

Jesus started opening the seven-sealed scroll upon his ascension.

May I ask where you get your understanding from? Are you doing this alone or do you have a teacher?

I can read what God said. I trust Him. I believe in Him.

Isa 30:21 Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, "This is the way; walk in it."

1Jo 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him

Jhn 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

There's no one I know of teaching people to stick to the scripture and what Jesus actually said. I don't believe what other people say, just God. He's the only one who will never mislead you.

SO, when Jesus said the false christs/false prophets/false miracles arise after the days of the great tribulation are cut short, I believe HIM.

When Jesus said that the sun/moon darken/stars fall immediately after the great tribulation, I believe HIM.

That means that whomever is teaching that the antichrist is the abomination of desolation or the great tribulation is some future time period is LYING or lacks belief in Jesus' own words!

Whoa! Just because everyone isn't eating up what your interpretation of scripture says doesn't mean they are LYING or that they lack belief in His Word. You need to back up & examine yourself & what you are saying to & about other members of the Body of Christ.

[goldust59]

Oh, I'm getting it alright, I am just seeing things totally different than you are.

No one that accepts Jesus as Savior is under God's wrath, no matter when they accept Him. John 3:36~He that believes on the Son has everlasting life; and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him.

That is not true. There is a time limit...just as the scripture you quoted states:

"he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him."

Those who die DURING THE TIME OF WRATH at the hands of the beast are dying BECAUSE they weren't ready/didn't believe! They chose TOO LATE.

You still aren't understanding that TODAY is the day of salvation. Today is when there is salvation by the blood of Jesus. Once he appears and calls all who believe to Himself, then there's nothing but wrath.

Those who realize that Jesus is Lord after we're gone (the rest of the woman's offspring) are under the wrath of God and have to die during the time of wrath for what they believe at the hands of the beast. They are resurrected and judged BY WORKS (refusing the mark/belief in Jesus -and those works were done during the time of wrath) during the first resurrection of the millennium.

Those who are beheaded by the beast, refusing to worship the beast in favor of Christ, are not SAVED by the blood of Jesus or else they would never have been under wrath in the first place!

They are not judged by the blood of Jesus, they are judged by works.

TODAY is the day of salvation, but I don't think this 'day' ends til the milinium begins. How could anyone be saved during the wrath if the day of salvation were over before then?

[OneLight]

I do not agree with your understanding. When God tells us It Is Done, He was speaking of His wrath on the world, the unbelievers. This includes all that is written in the Scroll that Jesus opened, the Seven Seals, the Seven Trumpets and the Seven Bowls.

I can see that you do not fully understand s much as you think. If we are to accept that everything flows out of the other, then everything mentioned has to be included. This is not how it is. The Seventh Seal is the preparation of the Seven Trumpets, but more the that, it is about "another angel, having a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel’s hand. Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it to the earth. And there were noises, thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake."

The Seven Trumpets then begins. Yet, if we once again take your point of view, the Seventh Trumpet would have to include everything between the first mention of the Seventh Trumpet being sounded and the First Bowl being poured out. This is not how to study the end times. Each event stands on itself, has their own message and meaning.

I can appreciate your desire to understand what scripture says, but do you realize that God set up offices for a reason?

1 Corinthians 12:28

And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.

If you cannot find a church, or a body of believers in your area to teach you, you really should check online courses. It will be well worth your time and you will see your errors. The problem when one sits all alone trying to learn what scripture says, without having others around, leads to misinterpretation of scripture. Look at how many here do not agree with what you are saying? I have not noticed one person who agrees. This alone should show you that you are off track.

In His Love,

Alan

[goldust59]

Oh, I'm getting it alright, I am just seeing things totally different than you are.

No one that accepts Jesus as Savior is under God's wrath, no matter when they accept Him. John 3:36~He that believes on the Son has everlasting life; and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him.

That is not true. There is a time limit...just as the scripture you quoted states:

"he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him."

Those who die DURING THE TIME OF WRATH at the hands of the beast are dying BECAUSE they weren't ready/didn't believe! They chose TOO LATE.

You still aren't understanding that TODAY is the day of salvation. Today is when there is salvation by the blood of Jesus. Once he appears and calls all who believe to Himself, then there's nothing but wrath.

Those who realize that Jesus is Lord after we're gone (the rest of the woman's offspring) are under the wrath of God and have to die during the time of wrath for what they believe at the hands of the beast. They are resurrected and judged BY WORKS (refusing the mark/belief in Jesus -and those works were done during the time of wrath) during the first resurrection of the millennium.

Those who are beheaded by the beast, refusing to worship the beast in favor of Christ, are not SAVED by the blood of Jesus or else they would never have been under wrath in the first place!

They are not judged by the blood of Jesus, they are judged by works.

TODAY is the day of salvation, but I don't think this 'day' ends til the milinium begins. How could anyone be saved during the wrath if the day of salvation were over before then?

That's the point - those who die during the time of wrath aren't saved by the blood of Jesus (which is the meaning of salvation.)

Those who die by beheading in refusal to worship the beast are under the wrath of God. That's why the devil kills them. The devil can't touch the church because we have power over the devil which is one reason why we are "taken out of the way" before the man of sin is revealed. They who die for Christ while under the wrath of God are judged by works and rewarded for those works.

Today is the day of salvation, then after Christ removes the church, wrath has begun.

1Th 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

This is why the RAPTURED church (the entire church up to that moment in time) is standing in heaven praising God for SALVATION in Revelation 7 and in Revelation 12.

The church/bride/body of Christ is the ONLY one who is washed/overcome by the blood of the Lamb = salvation!

All others are judged by works.

I don't believe Christ removes the 'church',so I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this topic.

[goldust59]

Oh, I'm getting it alright, I am just seeing things totally different than you are.

No one that accepts Jesus as Savior is under God's wrath, no matter when they accept Him. John 3:36~He that believes on the Son has everlasting life; and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him.

That is not true. There is a time limit...just as the scripture you quoted states:

"he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him."

Those who die DURING THE TIME OF WRATH at the hands of the beast are dying BECAUSE they weren't ready/didn't believe! They chose TOO LATE.

You still aren't understanding that TODAY is the day of salvation. Today is when there is salvation by the blood of Jesus. Once he appears and calls all who believe to Himself, then there's nothing but wrath.

Those who realize that Jesus is Lord after we're gone (the rest of the woman's offspring) are under the wrath of God and have to die during the time of wrath for what they believe at the hands of the beast. They are resurrected and judged BY WORKS (refusing the mark/belief in Jesus -and those works were done during the time of wrath) during the first resurrection of the millennium.

Those who are beheaded by the beast, refusing to worship the beast in favor of Christ, are not SAVED by the blood of Jesus or else they would never have been under wrath in the first place!

They are not judged by the blood of Jesus, they are judged by works.

TODAY is the day of salvation, but I don't think this 'day' ends til the milinium begins. How could anyone be saved during the wrath if the day of salvation were over before then?

That's the point - those who die during the time of wrath aren't saved by the blood of Jesus (which is the meaning of salvation.)

Those who die by beheading in refusal to worship the beast are under the wrath of God. That's why the devil kills them. The devil can't touch the church because we have power over the devil which is one reason why we are "taken out of the way" before the man of sin is revealed. They who die for Christ while under the wrath of God are judged by works and rewarded for those works.

Today is the day of salvation, then after Christ removes the church, wrath has begun.

1Th 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

This is why the RAPTURED church (the entire church up to that moment in time) is standing in heaven praising God for SALVATION in Revelation 7 and in Revelation 12.

The church/bride/body of Christ is the ONLY one who is washed/overcome by the blood of the Lamb = salvation!

All others are judged by works.

I don't believe Christ removes the 'church',so I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this topic.

So you think that those who are saved by the blood of Jesus are subject to the wrath of God which goes against the very Word of God?

1Th 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Absolutely not! I believe that God knows who are His & that He can & will protect His children. There will be those that die for Him & I believe there will be a remnant brought through victorious.