oh hmm evolution

[MorningGlory]

I like you brother and like your love to your book. You remind me of a woman who had a bad tongue (always insults and can't control herself from insulting people with her tongue). She swore not to say one bad word again and not to talk with anyone except with Ayats (verses) from Quran.

I will do the same brother and let's see which book is the book of The God.

110. As Allah said, “O Isa son of Maryam, (Jesus son of Mary) remember My favor upon you, and upon your (female) parent as I aided you with the Spirit of Holiness, Also called the Holy Spirit, i.e., the Angel Jibrîl) (so that) you speak to mankind in the cradle and in maturity; and as I taught you the Book, and (the) Wisdom and the Tawrah, (The Book revealed to Mûsa “Moses”) and the Injil; (The Book revealed to Isa “Jesus”) and as you create out of clay as the semblance of a bird, by My permission, so you blow into it, then it is a bird, by My permission; and you heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and as you bring the dead out, by My permission; and as I restrained the Seeds (Or: sons) of Israel) from you as you came to them with the supreme evidences; then the ones who disbelieved among them said, “Decidedly this is nothing except evident sorcery.”

111. And as I revealed to the Disciples (The followers of Isa “Jesus”, also called the Apostles) (saying), “Believe in Me and in My Messenger.” They said, “We believe, and bear you witness that surely we (ourselves) are Muslims.” (Literally: we have surrendered to Him).

112. As the Disciples (The followers of Isa “Jesus”, also called the Apostles) said, “O Isa son of Maryam, (Jesus son of Mary) is your Lord able to send down (The Arabic verb implies sending down more than once or in large quantities) upon us a Table from the heaven?” he said, “Be pious to Allah, in case you are believers.”

113. They said, “We would (like) to eat of it and our hearts be composed; and that we may know that you have already (spoken) to us sincerely and that thereof we may be among the witnesses.”

114. Isa son of Maryam said, “O Allah, our Lord, send down upon us a Table from the heaven that will be (for) us a festival, for the first of us and the last (of us), and a sign from You. And provide for us; and You are The Most Charitable of providers.”

115. Allah said, “Surely I am sending it down upon you; so, whoever of you hereafter disbelieves, then surely I will torment him with a torment wherewith I do not torment anyone of the worlds.”

116. And as Allah said, “O Isa son of Maryam, (Jesus son of Mary) did you say to mankind, “cTake me and my mother to your selves as two gods, apart from Allah ’?” He said, All Extolment be to You! In no way is it for me to say what I have no right to. In case I ever said it. then You already know it. You know whatever is within my self, and I do not know what is within Your Self; surely You, Ever You, are The Superb Knower of the Things Unseen.

117. In no way did I say to them (anything) except whatever You commanded me (saying), “Worship Allah, my Lord, and your Lord.” And I was a witness over them, as long as I was among them; then as soon as You took me up, You, Ever You, have been The Watcher over them, and You are Ever-Witnessing over everything.

118. In case You torment them, then surely they are Your bondmen; and in case You forgive them, then surely You, Ever You, are The Ever-Mighty, The Ever-Wise.”

[5:110/118] Quran

There is no doubt that the Bible is the Word of the one true God. I am amazed that you are allowed to quote the Qu'ran on this site because it is a false and unholy work perpetrated by satan himself. I mean no disrespect to you personally but the master you follow is not who you believe him to be.

[Happy Forever]

I like you brother and like your love to your book. You remind me of a woman who had a bad tongue (always insults and can't control herself from insulting people with her tongue). She swore not to say one bad word again and not to talk with anyone except with Ayats (verses) from Quran.

I will do the same brother and let's see which book is the book of The God.

110. As Allah said, “O Isa son of Maryam, (Jesus son of Mary) remember My favor upon you, and upon your (female) parent as I aided you with the Spirit of Holiness, Also called the Holy Spirit, i.e., the Angel Jibrîl) (so that) you speak to mankind in the cradle and in maturity; and as I taught you the Book, and (the) Wisdom and the Tawrah, (The Book revealed to Mûsa “Moses”) and the Injil; (The Book revealed to Isa “Jesus”) and as you create out of clay as the semblance of a bird, by My permission, so you blow into it, then it is a bird, by My permission; and you heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and as you bring the dead out, by My permission; and as I restrained the Seeds (Or: sons) of Israel) from you as you came to them with the supreme evidences; then the ones who disbelieved among them said, “Decidedly this is nothing except evident sorcery.”

111. And as I revealed to the Disciples (The followers of Isa “Jesus”, also called the Apostles) (saying), “Believe in Me and in My Messenger.” They said, “We believe, and bear you witness that surely we (ourselves) are Muslims.” (Literally: we have surrendered to Him).

112. As the Disciples (The followers of Isa “Jesus”, also called the Apostles) said, “O Isa son of Maryam, (Jesus son of Mary) is your Lord able to send down (The Arabic verb implies sending down more than once or in large quantities) upon us a Table from the heaven?” he said, “Be pious to Allah, in case you are believers.”

113. They said, “We would (like) to eat of it and our hearts be composed; and that we may know that you have already (spoken) to us sincerely and that thereof we may be among the witnesses.”

114. Isa son of Maryam said, “O Allah, our Lord, send down upon us a Table from the heaven that will be (for) us a festival, for the first of us and the last (of us), and a sign from You. And provide for us; and You are The Most Charitable of providers.”

115. Allah said, “Surely I am sending it down upon you; so, whoever of you hereafter disbelieves, then surely I will torment him with a torment wherewith I do not torment anyone of the worlds.”

116. And as Allah said, “O Isa son of Maryam, (Jesus son of Mary) did you say to mankind, “cTake me and my mother to your selves as two gods, apart from Allah ’?” He said, All Extolment be to You! In no way is it for me to say what I have no right to. In case I ever said it. then You already know it. You know whatever is within my self, and I do not know what is within Your Self; surely You, Ever You, are The Superb Knower of the Things Unseen.

117. In no way did I say to them (anything) except whatever You commanded me (saying), “Worship Allah, my Lord, and your Lord.” And I was a witness over them, as long as I was among them; then as soon as You took me up, You, Ever You, have been The Watcher over them, and You are Ever-Witnessing over everything.

118. In case You torment them, then surely they are Your bondmen; and in case You forgive them, then surely You, Ever You, are The Ever-Mighty, The Ever-Wise.”

[5:110/118] Quran

There is no doubt that the Bible is the Word of the one true God. I am amazed that you are allowed to quote the Qu'ran on this site because it is a false and unholy work perpetrated by satan himself. I mean no disrespect to you personally but the master you follow is not who you believe him to be.

MAy you read your words again, brother? I know you are just and like justice like all of us, but how do you know that what you say is truth?

Did you read Quran? Do you know Muhammad massenger of Allah? Did you see him before?

All what you got are your culture, brother. I am not talking about culture and not willing. I am here to discover the truth.

You say: "There is no doubt that the Bible is the Word of the one true God".

And I say: "There is no doubt that the Quran is the Wrods of The True God".

Let's agree, brother, on a useful beneficial thing. Let's agree to debate respectfully and everyone provide evidence that his book is the book of God and the book which is proved to be the best and strongest will be the book of God (For sure the book of God must be the best book).

[MorningGlory]

Did you read Quran? Do you know Muhammad massenger of Allah? Did you see him before?

All what you got are your culture, brother. I am not talking about culture and not willing. I am here to discover the truth.

You say: "There is no doubt that the Bible is the Word of the one true God".

And I say: "There is no doubt that the Quran is the Wrods of The True God".

Let's agree, brother, on a useful beneficial thing. Let's agree to debate respectfully and everyone provide evidence that his book is the book of God and the book which is proved to be the best and strongest will be the book of God (For sure the book of God must be the best book).

This 'brother' is a sister, daughter of the most high King. Yes, I have read large parts of the Qu'ran and I frequent islamic sites as well. Your alleged Holy Book denies the Crucifixion, the Resurrection and, indeed, the deity of Christ by denying that God has a Son. Most of the Qu'ran is based on the Torah and the New Testament but fails to address the real God while giving credence to someone named 'Mohammad'; a barbarian tribal chieftain who lived in the seventh century.

All that aside, how long would one of your islamic sites tolerate posting quotes from the Bible? It's been my experience that even the mention of another faith will get you censored and, if it recurs, banned. Why can islam not allow dissent? Why must islam keep it's followers by death threats? I believe islam to be satan's very own religion and I say this not to be hateful but because I believe the Truth will set you free. 'Allah' promises no salvation......how can he? He isn't God.

[Happy Forever]

Did you read Quran? Do you know Muhammad massenger of Allah? Did you see him before?

All what you got are your culture, brother. I am not talking about culture and not willing. I am here to discover the truth.

You say: "There is no doubt that the Bible is the Word of the one true God".

And I say: "There is no doubt that the Quran is the Wrods of The True God".

Let's agree, brother, on a useful beneficial thing. Let's agree to debate respectfully and everyone provide evidence that his book is the book of God and the book which is proved to be the best and strongest will be the book of God (For sure the book of God must be the best book).

This 'brother' is a sister, daughter of the most high King. Yes, I have read large parts of the Qu'ran and I frequent islamic sites as well. Your alleged Holy Book denies the Crucifixion, the Resurrection and, indeed, the deity of Christ by denying that God has a Son. Most of the Qu'ran is based on the Torah and the New Testament but fails to address the real God while giving credence to someone named 'Mohammad'; a barbarian tribal chieftain who lived in the seventh century.

All that aside, how long would one of your islamic sites tolerate posting quotes from the Bible? It's been my experience that even the mention of another faith will get you censored and, if it recurs, banned. Why can islam not allow dissent? Why must islam keep it's followers by death threats? I believe islam to be satan's very own religion and I say this not to be hateful but because I believe the Truth will set you free. 'Allah' promises no salvation......how can he? He isn't God.

Thanks, sister, for your reply.

Islamic sites allow posting quotes from bible, and if not, it is persecuting sites.

You didn't reply to my offer, I offer to debate and show the evidence of bible and I show the evidence of Quran and discover by ourselves the book of God.

I read many parts of the bible and I know it more than you. You don't know what is Quran and it is not written by Messenger Muhammad and can never be and I have undoubtedly evidence.

The God told us that Turah (the book of Moses) and Injeel (the book of Jesus) are distorted by dirty hands and attribute a son to The One God.

Allah is and promise to be Merciful and Justice. Is your god just?

Explain me the claimed salvation, to do whatever you want without judgment because someone bears your sins and punished in your behalf?

"No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another" Quran

I tell you again that I have irrefutable evidence that The Munificent Quran is The One God, do you have one slight evidence that your book is not human words from their own mind?

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I tell you again that I have irrefutable evidence that The Munificent Quran is The One God, do you have one slight evidence that your book is not human words from their own mind?

The Blessing Of Grandfather Abraham - Beloved, Is This The Living God Found In Your Book?

And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.

And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.

In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Genesis 15:12-18

The God Of Israel - Beloved, Is This The Living God Found In Your Book?

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6

The God Of Creation - Beloved, Is This The Living God Found In Your Book?

For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Isaiah 54:5

The God Of Joy - Beloved, Is This The Living God Found In Your Book?

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16

The God Of Salvation - Beloved, Is This The Living God Found In Your Book?

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Joel 2:32

____________

Beloved, If You Can Not Find The LORD Jesus Christ And Him Crucified In Your Book

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 1 Corinthians 12:3

Look To The God Of Abraham, Isaac And Jacob

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12:2

And Believe

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

And Be Blessed Beloved

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Joe

I Love You LORD Jesus

I Love You LORD

Save Now~!

[Happy Forever]

I tell you again that I have irrefutable evidence that The Munificent Quran is The One God, do you have one slight evidence that your book is not human words from their own mind?

The Blessing Of Grandfather Abraham - Beloved, Is This The Living God Found In Your Book?

And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.

And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.

In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Genesis 15:12-18

The God Of Israel - Beloved, Is This The Living God Found In Your Book?

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6

The God Of Creation - Beloved, Is This The Living God Found In Your Book?

For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Isaiah 54:5

The God Of Joy - Beloved, Is This The Living God Found In Your Book?

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16

The God Of Salvation - Beloved, Is This The Living God Found In Your Book?

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Joel 2:32

____________

Beloved, If You Can Not Find The LORD Jesus Christ And Him Crucified In Your Book

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 1 Corinthians 12:3

Look To The God Of Abraham, Isaac And Jacob

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12:2

And Believe

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

And Be Blessed Beloved

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Joe

I Love You LORD Jesus

I Love You LORD

Save Now~!

Sorry FresnoJoe,

I am talking about evidence, here is logic, mind. Before you send one word, prove it. What is the evidence of these human words? You cannot deny that your book is human words.

Read the perfection and the true words of Allah The One The Creator:

Surat Ar-Rû m (The Romans)

In The Name of Allah, The All-Merciful, The Ever Merciful.

"Alif. Lam. Mim (These are the names of letters of the Arabic alphabet, and only Allah knows their

meaning here). (1) The Romans have been defeated (2) In the nearer land, and they, after their defeat will be victorious (3) In few (less then ten) years and in that day believers will rejoice (4) In Allah's help to victory. He helpeth to victory whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Merciful. (5) It is a promise of Allah. Allah faileth not His promise, but most of mankind know not. (6)" [30:1/6]

These miraculous Ayats are translation of the words of The One God.

Alif Lam Mim.(1) These three words (letters) are miraculous no one on earth can produce the like of them and no one knows their secrets till now.

The Romans have been defeated (2) This Ayah was sent when Romans were defeated by Persians.

In the nearer land, and they, after their defeat will be victorious (3) This very short Ayah shows two miraculous events which is that the Persians defeated Romans in the lowest part of eath (ground) where the dead sea.

The other part of the great Ayah provides a prophecy that Romans will defeat Persians.

In few (less then ten) years and in that day believers will rejoice (4) Here it sets the approximate time of the prophetic victory of Romans which will be within 6 to 9 years. (this revelation when Romans were in very deteriorated state and no one could thought that they would stand again.

Will you believe in The Al Mighty, The All Merciful?

Edited September 11, 2011 by Happy Forever

[ayin jade]

Hi yummy

[OldEnglishSheepdog]

Hello Happy Forever,

I’m curious about a number of things you’ve mentioned so far.

First of all, it would seem to me that you’re in an interesting position to be trying to claim that the Bible is human words, but that we are supposed to believe that you are in possession of actual inspired words of God, since the Quran (which is the very text that you claim are the inspired words of God) contradicts such an assertion.

Muhammad said, “Expert, you are regarded to stand on nothing until you live according to Injil (gospel), Taurat (Torah), and whatever send to you by your God” (Surah 5: 68). He went on to qualify, "And if thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the book from before thee..." (Surah 10: 94).

Now, we both believe that God provides special revelation in the form of inspired words, so it’s not like you think it's impossible that God could have provided inspired words in the form of a New Testament, and as we can see from the above Muhammad said that the Muslim must not only follow the previous inspired texts, but when in doubt must consult those who have been reading the book before them, which would be Jews and Christians.

If you were a good Muslim, then you’d have to obey as the inspired work commanded you and ask us Christians what has been revealed and we’d tell you that God has said that “the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist” (1 John 2:22), and since the Quran states that “No son did Allah beget” (Surah 23:91), then it is false according to its own criteria.

If you’d like to suggest that the Bible has been corrupted, the entire New Testament expect for 11 verses can be totally reconstructed within 150 years of Christ’s death from extra Biblical fragments. That’s hundreds of years before the penning of the Quran, which contained the commandment to ask those who have been reading the book before you. If any corruptions did occur, it would have been centuries before the charge to follow the texts and therefore such corruptions were either unknown to Muhammad or irrelevant to the commandment.

In either case, the charge to follow the instructions of the readers of the Ingil would remain.

Likewise, you have Haddiths which picture Muhammad placing the Torah on a pillow and bowing down to it, don’t you? Interesting that the Quran goes about contradicting that same Torah for which we have existing copies that predated Muhammad’s birth by centuries, at every point on which they overlap: http://thriceholy.net/contradictions.html#Abraham

It is a strange claim indeed that a truth could be truer than the a priori assumptions upon which the legitimacy of that truth is established, so your call to use logic is simply patently in defiance of the logical you claim to observe.

Second, I find it interesting that you’re intent on calling Christians here ‘brother’, since as a Muslim you’re not even permitted to call us ‘friend’: “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people” (Surah 5:51).

In fact, in every school of Islamic Jurisprudence, bar none, the establishment of Islamic hegemony over the world is taught as a necessity, as is the enforcement of dhimmihood (second class citizen) status of all non-Muslims, who would then not only have to pay the Jizya (tax) but must do so willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Under Shaira Law Dhimmi are not permitted to openly worship, and if they do so they forfeit their contract of protection and are no longer under the protection as having accepted the status as living as second class, willingly persecuted inferiors.

Since this is true of all schools of Islamic jurisprudence it simply begs the question, are you calling us brothers for the same reason Muhammad formed the Truce of Hudaibiya, which was to fool the enemy into a peace treaty until such time as the Islamic forces were strong enough to defeat them in combat?

If your answer is ‘no’, do you answer in the negative according to the doctrine of Taqiyya, which enables the Muslim to lie in order to gain advantage over an enemy?

Basically, since you follow after the example of a deity which self-identifies as the “best of deceivers" (Sura 3:54), an Islamic school of thought which advocates the relegation of all non-muslims to dhimmi status, and the treaty of Hudaibiya by Muhammad who is considered by all Muslims to be the best of human examples, and possibly the doctrine of Taqiyya, how could be assured that you’re telling us the truth in anything you say?

[Happy Forever]

Hello Happy Forever,

I’m curious about a number of things you’ve mentioned so far.

First of all, it would seem to me that you’re in an interesting position to be trying to claim that the Bible is human words, but that we are supposed to believe that you are in possession of actual inspired words of God, since the Quran (which is the very text that you claim are the inspired words of God) contradicts such an assertion.

Muhammad said, “Expert, you are regarded to stand on nothing until you live according to Injil {gospel), Taurat (Torah), and whatever send to you by your God” (Surah 5: 68). He went on to qualify, "And if thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the book from before thee..." (Surah 10: 94).

Now, we both believe that God provides special revelation in the form of inspired words, so it’s not like think it's impossible that God could have provided inspired words in the form of a New Testament, and as we can see from the above Muhammad said that the Muslim must not only follow the previous inspired texts, but when in doubt must consult those who have been reading the book before them, which would be Jews and Christians.

If you were a good Muslim, then you’d have to obey as the inspired work commanded you and ask us Christians what has been revealed and we’d tell you that God has said that “the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist” (1 John 2:22), and since the Quran states that “No son did Allah beget” (Surah 23:91), then it is false according to its own criteria.

If you’d like to suggest that the Bible has been corrupted, the entire New Testament expect for 11 verses can be totally reconstructed within 150 years of Christ’s death from extra Biblical fragments. That’s hundreds of years before the penning of the Quran, which contained the commandment to ask those who have been reading the book before you. If any corruptions did occur, it would have been centuries before the charge to follow the texts and therefore such corruptions were either unknown to Muhammad or irrelevant to the commandment.

In either case, the charge to follow the instructions of the readers of the Ingil would remain.

Likewise, you have Haddiths which picture Muhammad placing the Torah on a pillow and bowing down to it, don’t you? Interesting that the Quran goes about contradicting that same Torah for which we have existing copies that predated Muhammad’s birth by centuries, at every point on which they overlap: http://thriceholy.net/contradictions.html#Abraham

It is a strange claim indeed that a truth could be truer than the a priori assumptions upon which the legitimacy of that truth is established, so your call to use logic is simply patently in defiance of the logical you claim to observe.

Second, I find it interesting that you’re intent on calling Christians here ‘brother’, since as a Muslim you’re not even permitted to call us ‘friend’: “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people” (Surah 5:51).

In fact, in every school of Islamic Jurisprudence, bar none, the establishment of Islamic hegemony over the world is taught as a necessity, as is the enforcement of dhimmihood (second class citizen) status of all non-Muslims, who would then not only have to pay the Jizya (tax) but must do so willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Under Shaira Law Dhimmi are not permitted to openly worship, and if they do so they forfeit their contract of protection and are no longer under the protection as having accepted the status as living as second class, willingly persecuted inferiors.

Since this is true of all schools of Islamic jurisprudence it simply begs the question, are you calling us brothers for the same reason Muhammad formed the Truce of Hudaibiya, which was to fool the enemy into a peace treaty until such time as the Islamic forces were strong enough to defeat them in combat?

If your answer is ‘no’, do you answer in the negative according to the doctrine of Taqiyya, which enables the Muslim to lie in order to gain advantage over an enemy?

Basically, since you follow after the example of a deity which self-identifies as the “best of deceivers" (Sura 3:54), an Islamic school of thought which advocates the relegation of all non-muslims to dhimmi status, and the treaty of Hudaibiya by Muhammad who is considered by all Muslims to be the best of human examples, and possibly the doctrine of Taqiyya, how could be assured that you’re telling us the truth in anything you say?

Ooooh, this is horrible. Is there a religion like that in the world?!

Your post looks tiny although it contains a big amount of accusations and beyond them, of course, more and more.

There is no one sole word here is right, no one slight word is right.

Two simple questions for you before replying to this false accusation from non Muslim, ignorant, unauthorized, cheap, anti Islam sites:

Why do you read about Islam? If I replied to you with strong evidence, will you follow the right path (Are you searching for the truth?)?

Thanks, brother (we are brothers and will always be In Sha Allah)

[OldEnglishSheepdog]

Happy Forever, I hope you don't if I ask - you're an Harun Yahya fan, aren't you?

Ooooh, this is horrible. Is there a religion like that in the world?!

Yes, and I quoted the texts to demonstrates which one is so.

Your post looks tiny although it contains a big amount of accusations and beyond them, of course, more and more.

What I've presented are not accusations but quotes from the Quran, references to the Hadith and Sharia Law, and questions accordingly. What is your contention then? You acknowledge that the Quran is your scripture don't you? And that the Hadith is the authoritative body of work through which the Quran may be accurately interpreted, right?

So am I going to get answers?

There is no one sole word here is right, no one slight word is right.

If not one word I presented was right, then since I quoted directly from the Quran wouldn't that means that the Quran's not right too? If not then please be more specific as to what I've said that is incorrect and please show how it is so.

Two simple questions for you before replying to this false accusation from non Muslim, ignorant, unauthorized, cheap, anti Islam sites

I actually didn't reference any sites, anti Islam or otherwise.

You'll notice that I quoted the Quran, and made reference to specific Hadith and clauses under Sharia Law.

Why do you read about Islam?

I have been reading about Islam for over a decade for myriad reasons.

If I replied to you with strong evidence, will you follow the right path (Are you searching for the truth?)?

I've found the truth "Thy Word is Truth" (John 17:17).

Now, what can you tell me about the truth, since you follow a deity that identifies itself as the “best of deceivers" (Sura 3:54)?

What can you tell me about truth since your model for human perfection deliberately deceived those with whom he signed a peace treaty until he gathered enough strength to kill them?

What can you tell me about truth since the Hadith clearly outline the rules for deceit in the doctrine of Taqiyya as: "in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband" (Sahih Muslim Book 032, Hadith Number 6303)?

You're on a Christian forum and your ideology clearly advocate deceit in certain circumstances, whereas ours does not, so if you speak deceit it can be in accordance with your religion, but if I do it is in opposition to mine, because in my religion it is Satan who is the liar "the devil... was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies" (John 8:44), so what is considered a virtue for Allah is a denouncement of Satanic proportions by God.

How then could it be supposed that we could communicate honestly about finding the truth, since we're speaking from two different criteria on truth?

By the way, why is it that one your profile your gender is listed as 'male' but to Joe a few pages back you signed a post:

Your sister,

Happy Forever

Thanks, brother (we are brothers and will always be In Sha Allah)

Not according to the Islam or the Bible:

In Islam “The Believers are but a single Brotherhood” (Al-Hujurat 49:10), and “Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (Surah 98:6)

The Bible also refers to Christians as brothers and sisters in Christ, and before the Quran was written the Bible said: “For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness” (2 Cor. 6:14).

That said, I'm happy to be your friend, but as a true friend I will not shrink from telling you the truth, and that truth is that you're greatly deceived by the "best of all deceivers" and I cannot let you spread that deceit unchecked, so we may be talking quite a bit here in the next little while.