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True Happiness is when I sit below the throne, at the feet of Jesus!

He died and passed the test for me!

Your God with feet?!

Why? He can't walk without feet? So he needs his feet. Why he needs to walk?

To be able to see what he can't see? Ah, of course as he his eyes can see what is in front of them only like us.

Your god is composed of parts and he needs his parts. If he lost one part, he becomes weak. Can we kill him?!! Oh, this is what you already think.

A dead god after being tortured by his creatures!!!

Allah is The All sufficient, The Omnipotent, The All Seeing, The Allah Hearing, The Ever Forgiving, The Most Merciful.

"Is there doubt about Allah the Creator of the heavens and the earth"

Oh yes my God got feet!

Nah 1:3 The LORD is slow to anger and great in power, and the LORD will by no means clear the guilty. His way is in whirlwind and storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

And With Wounds In His Hands

But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:24-28

Bless His Holy Name

[MorningGlory]

True Happiness is when I sit below the throne, at the feet of Jesus!

He died and passed the test for me!

Your god with feet?!

Why? He can't walk without feet? So he needs his feet. Why he needs to walk?

To be able to see what he can't see? Ah, of course as he his eyes can see what is in front of them only like us.

Your god is composed of parts and he needs his parts. If he lost one part, he becomes weak. Can we kill him?!! Oh, this is what you already think.

A dead god after being tortured by his creatures!!!

Allah is The All sufficient, The Omnipotent, The All Seeing, The Allah Hearing, The Ever Forgiving, The Most Merciful.

"Is there doubt about Allah the Creator of the heavens and the earth"

Let's see if I can say this diplomatically, H.F. Allah is a lie from the pits of hell, he sees nothing, hears nothing, forgives nothing and has no mercy. Why? Because he is, in actuality, satan himself. Now....is there doubt? Do you doubt that I mean what I just typed? You're going to hell unless you abandon your satanic cult and THAT is something you cannot argue away. That diplomatic thing didn't work too well....did it?

[Happy Forever]

Salaam Alaikuum again Happy,

might I suggest that we each pray before continuing.

Wa Alikom Assalam, respectful brother.

It is my pleasure and honor to debate you.

May Allah protect you and grant you His paradise. Amen

I asked:

1) Were the Injil, Torat and Zaboor from God in their original form?

If so, then how can man pervert what is from God? Cannot God protect His own Words?

Happy Forever answered:

1) Yes, they were

You assume that [2:79] refers to the Christians and the Jews though.

Might I remind you that in the days before Mohammed (pbuh), there were false people who wrote things that they ascribed to God, but were not. These texts fall under the title of 'pseudepigrapha', and they were denounced and their writings were condemned.

Jews and Christians have trusted in God to protect what is His, but we have also been dilligent in protecting in ourselves.

Be careful that you do not read more than what is written brother.

(I call you brother in the sense that we are both creations of the only God, not implying that we share the same beliefs... though hopefully we both desire to follow God faithfully.)

I call you brother because we all brothers and sisters in humanity with one father (Adam) and one mother (Eve 'Hawwa").

I didn't assume that Christians and Jews are mentioned in Quran, I assure that these words never mentioned in Quran.

What you say about 'pseudepigrapha' is not related at all. I am taking about the Turah and Injeel the two books of Allah sent to Moses and Jesus.

Do you know that the Quran is the light and mercy which lightens the whole world? Quran is a source of knowledge, history, science and language.

Do you know that we Arabs learn Arabic from Quran and set grammar rules according to Quran.

By Quran, history is clear. Read these Ayats the translation of Quran:

44. Surely We sent down the Tawrah, wherein there is a guidance and a light, thereby the Prophets who had become Muslims (who surrendered to Allah) gave judgment to the ones who were guided (Yahood), and (so) did the rabbis and the priests, according to whatever they were asked to preserve of the Book of Allah, and were witnesses to. So do not be apprehensive of mankind, and be apprehensive of Me, and do not trade My Ayats for a little price. And whoever does not judge according to what Allah has sent down, then those are they (who are) the disbelievers.

45. And therein We prescribed for them, “The self for the self, and the eye for the eye, and the nose for the nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation. So, whoever donates it, (i.e., remits the penalty or the retaliation as alms “a free-will offering”) then it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge according to what Allah has sent down, then those are they (who are) the unjust.”

46. And We made to supervene on their tracks Isa son of Maryam, (Jesus son of Mary) sincerely verifying whatever of the Tawrah between his two hands (was before him), and We brought him the Injil, wherein there is a guidance and a light, and sincerely verifying whatever of the Tawrah was before him, and a guidance and an admonition to the pious.

47. And let the people of the Injil judge according to what Allah has sent down therein. And whoever does not judge according to what Allah has sent down, then those are they (who are) the immoral.

48. And We have sent down to you the Book with the Truth, sincerely verifying whatever of the Book that was before it, (Literally: between its two hands) and Supremely Hegemonic over it. So judge between them according to what Allah has sent down, and do not ever follow their prejudices away from the Truth that has come to you. To every one of you We have made a legislation and a program. And if Allah had so decided, He would indeed have made you one nation; but (He did not) that He may try you in what He has brought you. So race with each other in the charitable (deeds); to Allah will be your return, altogether; so He will fully inform you of that wherein you used to differ.

49. And (that) you should judge between them according to what Allah has sent down. And do not ever follow their prejudices, and beware of them (lest) they tempt you away from some (part) of what Allah has sent down to you. So, in case they turn away, then know that Allah wills only to afflict them for some of their guilty deeds; and surely many of mankind are indeed immoral.

[5:44:49]

This is the perfect answer for your questions.

Here Allah says that He sent the Tawrah as light and guidance the source of rules executed by the prophets and Yahood (followers of Moses) and rabbis and priests who surrendered to Allah (Muslims). He ordered them as He orders us to keep His words and to judge accordingly and not to buy his words for cheap price.

In the second ayah(45), Allah inform us part of the law He set in Tawrah which is "eye with eye...." and it is our law too.

In Ayah (46), Allah tells us about Isa (Jesus) Who verified the Turah and Allah sent to Him the Injeel as a light and guidance.

In Ayah (47), Allah says that He ordered the followers of Jesus (people of Injeel) to follow their book.

In Ayah (48), Allah is talking to Muhammad and to us saying that we should judge according to (follow) Quran and not to follow the prejudice of the current Yahood and Nassara. Allah says "To everyone (Muslims, Yahood 'Jews', Nassarah 'Christians'), a legislation and an approach. Allah would indeed make us one nation with one religion but He didn't as He made this life for test.

In the last Ayah (49), Allah is talking to messenger Muhammad telling him to judge between people of the book according to Quran and not to follow their prejudice and take care of their fancies.

I think this translation showed you the great words of Quran and it answers all your questions.

One important thing I have to underline is:

When Allah talked about the followers of Jesus at his time, He called them "people of Injeel" not Nassara not Christians.

The followers of Moses after his era were called Yahood not during his era and this is a an important historical assertion. Moses himself was not a Yahoodi but a Muslim as the first Ayah said.

The followers of Jesus were called "the disciples" at his era, after him they were called Nassara as Jesus himself was not Nasrani but a Muslim as the first Ayah said.

Now you are called Jews and Christians, why?

What are the meanings of Muslim, Yahood, Nassara, Jews and Christians?

This what Quran records from history and this is a witness against you.

Muslim: means who submits to The One God.

Yahood: plural of Yahoodi means who was guided.

Nassara: plural of Nasrani means helper,supporter, vendicator.

Why Yahood became the name of the followers of Moses peace be upon him? Because after they repent from their grieve sin which is worshipping the calf, Allah accept their repentance and guided them to His path (Yahodi means guided).

Why Nassara became the name of the followers of Jesus peace be upon him? Because Jesus told them once "So, as soon as Isa (Jesus) perceived disbelief among them, he said, “Who are my ready vindicators to Allah?” (i.e., in the cause of Allah) The Disciples said, ” We are the ready vindicators to Allah; we have believed in Allah, and bear (you) witness that we are Muslims." [3:52] (Nasrani means vendicator)

And these were your names till the era of Prophet Muuhammad peace be upon him and these were their books till the era of prophet muhammad, what happened then?

The holders of the books (popes and priests) hid them cuz they wouldn't apply their rules following their kings to gain cheap price. Then kings after kings, these copies were forbidden and burnt and who have a copy was killed. Then people started to search for the books to find nothing but writings of humans collected from anywhere and searched for a new name which is "bible" (means book).

Yahood and Nassara at that time (after the era of prophet Muhammad) changed their respectful names to meaningless ones which are Jews and Christians.

What is the meaning of Jew?

Who belongs to Judah a country.

What is the meaning of Christian?

Who belongs to the anointed one.

Sorry for the long post.

Your sister,

Happy Forever

Note: these are translation of the Quran not the Quran itself (Quran is not bible, you don't know the original copy and the original language and consider the translation and people quotes as god words). The Holy words of Allah are the words in Quran.

Edited September 18, 2011 by Happy Forever

[Fez]

Salaam Alaikuum again Happy,

might I suggest that we each pray before continuing.

Wa Alikom Assalam, respectful brother.

It is my pleasure and honor to debate you.

May Allah protect you and grant you His paradise. Amen

I asked:

1) Were the Injil, Torat and Zaboor from God in their original form?

If so, then how can man pervert what is from God? Cannot God protect His own Words?

Happy Forever answered:

1) Yes, they were

You assume that [2:79] refers to the Christians and the Jews though.

Might I remind you that in the days before Mohammed (pbuh), there were false people who wrote things that they ascribed to God, but were not. These texts fall under the title of 'pseudepigrapha', and they were denounced and their writings were condemned.

Jews and Christians have trusted in God to protect what is His, but we have also been dilligent in protecting in ourselves.

Be careful that you do not read more than what is written brother.

(I call you brother in the sense that we are both creations of the only God, not implying that we share the same beliefs... though hopefully we both desire to follow God faithfully.)

I call you brother because we all brothers and sisters in humanity with one father (Adam) and one mother (Eve 'Hawwa").

I didn't assume that Christians and Jews are mentioned in Quran, I assure that these words never mentioned in Quran.

What you say about 'pseudepigrapha' is not related at all. I am taking about the Turah and Injeel the two books of Allah sent to Moses and Jesus.

Do you know that the Quran is the light and mercy which lightens the whole world? Quran is a source of knowledge, history, science and language.

Do you know that we Arabs learn Arabic from Quran and set grammar rules according to Quran.

By Quran, history is clear. Read these Ayats the translation of Quran:

44. Surely We sent down the Tawrah, wherein there is a guidance and a light, thereby the Prophets who had become Muslims (who surrendered to Allah) gave judgment to the ones who were guided (Yahood), and (so) did the rabbis and the priests, according to whatever they were asked to preserve of the Book of Allah, and were witnesses to. So do not be apprehensive of mankind, and be apprehensive of Me, and do not trade My signs for a little price. And whoever does not judge according to what Allah has sent down, then those are they (who are) the disbelievers.

45. And therein We prescribed for them, “The self for the self, and the eye for the eye, and the nose for the nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation. So, whoever donates it, (i.e., remits the penalty or the retaliation as alms “a free-will offering”) then it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge according to what Allah has sent down, then those are they (who are) the unjust.”

46. And We made to supervene on their tracks Isa son of Maryam, (Jesus son of Mary) sincerely verifying whatever of the Tawrah between his two hands (was before him), and We brought him the Injil, wherein there is a guidance and a light, and sincerely verifying whatever of the Tawrah was before him, and a guidance and an admonition to the pious.

47. And let the people of the Injil judge according to what Allah has sent down therein. And whoever does not judge according to what Allah has sent down, then those are they (who are) the immoral.

48. And We have sent down to you the Book with the Truth, sincerely verifying whatever of the Book that was before it, (Literally: between its two hands) and Supremely Hegemonic over it. So judge between them according to what Allah has sent down, and do not ever follow their prejudices away from the Truth that has come to you. To every one of you We have made a legislation and a program. And if Allah had so decided, He would indeed have made you one nation; but (He did not) that He may try you in what He has brought you. So race with each other in the charitable (deeds); to Allah will be your return, altogether; so He will fully inform you of that wherein you used to differ.

49. And (that) you should judge between them according to what Allah has sent down. And do not ever follow their prejudices, and beware of them (lest) they tempt you away from some (part) of what Allah has sent down to you. So, in case they turn away, then know that Allah wills only to afflict them for some of their guilty deeds; and surely many of mankind are indeed immoral.

[5:44:49]

This is the perfect answer for your questions.

Here Allah says that He sent the Tawrah as light and guidance the souce of rules executed by the prophets and Yahood (followers of Moses) and rabbis and priests who surrendered to Allah (Muslims). He ordered them as He orders us to keep His words and to judge accordingly and not to buy his words for cheap price.

In the second ayah(45), Allah inform us part of the law He set in Tawrah which is "eye with eye...." and it is our law too.

In Ayah (46), Allah tells us about Isa (Jesus) Who verified the Turah and Allah sent to Him the Injeel as a light and guidance.

In Ayah (47), Allah says that He ordered the followers of Jesus (people of Injeel) to follow their book.

In Ayah (48), Allah is talking to Muhammad and to us saying that we should judge according to (follow) Quran and not to follow the prejudice of the current Yahood and Nassara. Allah says "To everyone (Muslims, Yahood 'Jews', Nassarah 'Christians'), a legislation and an approach. Allah would indeed make us one nation with one religion but He didn't as He made this life for test.

In the last Ayah (49), Allah is talking to messenger Muhammad telling him to judge between people of the book according to Quran and not to follow their prejudice and take care of their fancies.

I think this translation showed you the great words of Quran and it answers all your questions.

One important thing I have to underline is:

When Allah talked about the followers of Jesus at his time, He called them "people of Injeel" not Nassara not Christians.

The followers of Moses after his era were called Yahood not during his era and this is a an important historical assertion. Moses himself was not a Yahoodi but a Muslim as the first Ayah said.

The followers of Jesus were called "the disciples" at his era, after him they were called Nassara as Jesus himself was not Nasrani but a Muslim as the first Ayah said.

Now you are called Jews and Christians, why?

What are the meanings of Muslim, Yahood, Nassara, Jews and Christians?

This what Quran records from history and this is a witness against you.

Muslim: means who submits to The One God.

Yahood: plural of Yahoodi means who was guided.

Nassara: plural of Nasrani means helper,supporter, vendicator.

Why Yahood became the name of the followers of Moses peace be upon him? Because after they repent from their grieve sin which is worshipping the calf, Allah accept their repentance and guided them to His path (Yahodi means guided).

Why Nassara became the name of the followers of Jesus peace be upon him? Because Jesus told them once "So, as soon as Isa (Jesus) perceived disbelief among them, he said, “Who are my ready vindicators to Allah?” (i.e., in the cause of Allah) The Disciples said, ” We are the ready vindicators to Allah; we have believed in Allah, and bear (you) witness that we are Muslims." [3:52] (Nasrani means vendicator)

And these were your names till the era of Prophet Muuhammad peace be upon him and these were their books till the era of prophet muhammad, what happened then?

The holders of the books (popes and priests) hid them cuz they wouldn't apply their rules following their kings to gain cheap price. Then kings after kings, these copies were forbidden and burnt and who have a copy was killed. Then people started to search for the books to find nothing but writings of humans collected from anywhere and searched for a new name which is "bible" (means book).

Yahood and Nassara at that time (after the era of prophet Muhammad) changed their respectful names to meaningless ones which are Jews and Christians.

What is the meaning of Jew?

Who belongs to Judah a country.

What is the meaning of Christian?

Who belongs to the anointed one.

Sorry for the long post.

Your sister,

Happy Forever

Note: these are translation of the Quran not the Quran itself (Quran is not bible, you don't know the original copy and the original language and consider the translation and people quotes as god words). The Holy words of Allah are the words in Quran.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God!

[Happy Forever]

Yeah, yeah, but Jesus Loves me! I don't need to be a scholar to understand that!

But you need to meet Jesus and ask him "Do you love me?".

And he will say "do I know you?".

[Happy Forever]

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God!

Sorry, I removed the propaganda, here are your naked words.

Your god is a word?!!!

Someone says that his god is a cow, another says his god is the sun, another says his god is budha, another says his god is a calf,...an idol, ....a picture, ...a word.....

Whom shall I follow?

My mind, my pure nature which is His creation.

My mind and my nature say that my God is Allah (The One True God, The Creator).

Islam is the only religion of logic, may you prove that your religion is not a philosophy?

"Is there doubt about Allah The Creator of the heavens and the earth"

Edited September 18, 2011 by Happy Forever

[Fez]

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.

Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.

Joh 1:5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

[Fez]

Someone says that his god is a cow, another says his god is the sun, another says his god is budha, another says his god is a calf,...an idol, ....a picture, ...a word...Jesus....

Umm surely equating Jesus to any of the above is a violation of the ToS?

Enough of this.

[Happy Forever]

Someone says that his god is a cow, another says his god is the sun, another says his god is budha, another says his god is a calf,...an idol, ....a picture, ...a word...Jesus....

Umm surely equating Jesus to any of the above is a violation of the ToS?

Enough of this.

Sorry, I don't mean insulting of course, Jesus is my Prophet and a brother to my Prophet.

[MorningGlory]

Sorry, I don't mean insulting of course, Jesus is my Prophet and a brother to my Prophet.

No....He is not and your 'prophet' was just some guy that raped and looted about 1400 years ago. No relation to the Messiah.