14 billion years old or just a few thousand

[joemiller]

how old do you think the universe is? is it billions of years old or just a few thousand like most christians believe. please give scriptural and/or scientific reasons why you believe the way you do.

From my understanding, most christians believe that the universe and the earth are billions of years old.

Only a portion of the fundamentalist christians are YECs and believe the earth to be only thousands of years old.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."

-Psalm 118:8 ... the center verse of the Bible

[UndecidedFrog]

how old do you think the universe is? is it billions of years old or just a few thousand like most christians believe. please give scriptural and/or scientific reasons why you believe the way you do.

From my understanding, most christians believe that the universe and the earth are billions of years old.

Only a portion of the fundamentalist christians are YECs and believe the earth to be only thousands of years old.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."

-Psalm 118:8 ... the center verse of the Bible

Hi joemiller,

Unfortunately, your god has not made it known to any how old is the universe. Hence, there is nothing to trust.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

[Guest]

.... Unfortunately, your god has not made it known to any how old is the universe. Hence, there is nothing to trust....

Well Of Course The LORD God Almighty Did

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Genesis 1:31

And Backed It Up With The Freeze-Dried Like Instant Fossilization Of Hard And Soft Tissues Observed Within The Flood's Debris Field

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 2 Peter 3:5-6

Not Even To Mention The Evidence Of Terror Coming From Hearts Of Sin Seen Daily On The Streets

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

Their feet are swift to shed blood:

Destruction and misery are in their ways:

And the way of peace have they not known:

There is no fear of God before their eyes. Romans 3:10-18

Hearts Of Sin Inherited From Grandfather Adam

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:22

And The Blood Price Jesus Payed

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 1 Peter 1:18-19

For Our Redemption

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Romans 3:22-26

Happy Thanksgiving Weekend

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe

[ncn]

"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."

-Psalm 118:8 ... the center verse of the Bible

Easy to say when you're healthy, but what would happen if your body suddenly had an adverse reaction to something and you needed medical attention? Would science come to the rescue or would you just pray that God would heal you?

Firstly,

I place my trust in the Lord.

Secondly,

The Lord supplies our needs.

Thirdly,

I need to take medication not only for my Parkinson's but also for depression; with those meds I live a full life.

I thank God everyday that someone sent their child to school /university and by doing so now they can give me medical care through their knowledge gained.

So even if I rattle when you shake me because of all the medication I take, I still put my trust in The Lord

[enoob57]

Hi joemiller,

Unfortunately, your god has not made it known to any how old is the universe. Hence, there is nothing to trust.

Regards,

UndecidedFrog

Oh quite on the contrary God has taught us that in the beginning all there was "I AM" (YHWH)... then He began to create...

All things were made with His approval as good (perfection)... God then placed His image in the Garden... Then choice The

Tree of Life, The Tree of Knowledge of good and evil... Image destroyed in wrong choice... and here we are, You and I UF...

How very sad that the understanding of time has eluded you! God says a day and one thousand years are the same to Him, yet

we in our self centered sin nature reckon only with our existence and our mind. However you are right- there is no bridge between

these concepts for one is right and one is wrong! This is where your understanding is in error; you demand what you are to be right

and that God must therefore fit into your mold of things to be, and if He does not then He is not -as you have many times declared!

Here begins the narrow path of faith requiring the sole proof of Word that God claims as His... I have asked God to knock loud

enough for you to hear, on you hearts door, His presence there! Respond in this way UF just open your hearts door and say I need

the hope You Have to offer... He will take it from there for 'He Says' I will come in and will sup with him and he with Me... There is no

other way to understand time!

Rv 3:20-21

20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.

NKJV

Love, Steven

[Guest]

"It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."

-Psalm 118:8 ... the center verse of the Bible

Easy to say when you're healthy, but what would happen if your body suddenly had an adverse reaction to something and you needed medical attention? Would science come to the rescue or would you just pray that God would heal you?

Firstly,

I place my trust in the Lord.

Secondly,

The Lord supplies our needs.

Thirdly,

I need to take medication not only for my Parkinson's but also for depression; with those meds I live a full life.

I thank God everyday that someone sent their child to school /university and by doing so now they can give me medical care through their knowledge gained.

So even if I rattle when you shake me because of all the medication I take, I still put my trust in The Lord

Medical Attention Helped Later On (Two Plus Months Later On~!)

But While I Was Still Dying, My Wife's Prayers Sealed The Deal

Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. James 5:16

And You Know I've Never Understood How Some Normally Sharp Folks Are Hoodwinked

Into Believing Science Fiction Has Anything Good To Do With Engineering Practice

Or With Any Other Applied Science Or With Serious Research Science

Or With Anything Useful, Especially With The Medical Treatment

Of Humans

I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. Psalms 139:14

Or With The Healing Of Other Creatures

Great Or Small

Well Wilbur, See We Know This Dog Evolved From An Apple Tree So If We Just Prune This Sucker Here And That Overlapping Limb Over There And Dig Around His Roots A Bit And Then Spray A Little Phosmet After Most Of His Flower Pedals Fall Off, He Should Be As Good As New In A Year Or So........

For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. Jeremiah 29:11

[DC10]

Don't suppose it's worth saying I don't think m o s t Christians believe it's only a few thousand years old?

No, didn't think it was.

[Guest]

Don't suppose it's worth saying I don't think m o s t Christians believe it's only a few thousand years old?

No, didn't think it was.

Beloved, Why Ever Not

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;

And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;

And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;

And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;

And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;

And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;

And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;

And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;

And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;

And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;

And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;

And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;

And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;

And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. Matthew 1:1-17

Unless Most Christians Are Not Believers In The Christ Of The Bible That Is

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,

Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,

Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,

Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,

Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,

Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,

Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,

Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,

Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,

Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,

Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,

Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,

Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,

Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Luke 3:23-38

[DC10]

Don't suppose it's worth saying I don't think m o s t Christians believe it's only a few thousand years old?

No, didn't think it was.

Beloved, Why Ever Not

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;

And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;

And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;

And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;

And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;

And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;

And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;

And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;

And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;

And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;

And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;

And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;

And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;

And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. Matthew 1:1-17

Unless Most Christians Are Not Believers In The Christ Of The Bible That Is

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,

Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,

Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,

Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,

Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,

Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,

Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,

Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,

Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,

Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,

Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,

Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,

Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,

Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Luke 3:23-38

All of which is fine, none of which addresses my point.

When polling, it is generally a bad idea to include your preferred answer in the question.

Unless you want to bias the response, that is.

But it's a common enough mistake, even by professional pollsters, especially on this sort of topic.

[j102]

Don't suppose it's worth saying I don't think m o s t Christians believe it's only a few thousand years old?

No, didn't think it was.

Beloved, Why Ever Not

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;

And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;

And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;

And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;

And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;

And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;

And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;

And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;

And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;

And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;

And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;

And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;

And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;

And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. Matthew 1:1-17

Unless Most Christians Are Not Believers In The Christ Of The Bible That Is

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,

Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,

Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,

Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,

Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,

Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,

Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,

Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,

Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,

Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,

Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,

Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,

Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,

Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Luke 3:23-38

All of which is fine, none of which addresses my point.

When polling, it is generally a bad idea to include your preferred answer in the question.

Unless you want to bias the response, that is.

But it's a common enough mistake, even by professional pollsters, especially on this sort of topic.

I'm not questioning the bible at all, i know it to be true and reliable. but we cant ignore the scientific evidence that we now have through astronomy, but rather interpret in light of god's word. it would not be a contradiction by any means if god waited billions of years till he made earth and everything in it.....actualy if our solar system was in any othe place in the universe or at any other time we would have a very obscured view of the stars and galaxies and not be able to study it in amazment